From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:00:05 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B0AA375.2000003@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B0A9A64.2090109@redhat.com>
Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 11/23/2009 02:51 PM, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
>> Right, but I wouldn't be surprised if a user complains that "I know that
>> my guest don't use that VM feature, so I want to be able to migrate to
>> an older version anyway".
>
> That's a bit more tricky. What if the older version doesn't support
> sound (just making up an example) and you know that you're not using a
> client that plays sound, but still the sound card is part of the
> machine? I think there is no doubt that the migration (or
> save/restore) should be aborted in that case.
>
> I would not generalize very much, the problem that Dor posed is very
> specific and probably quite rare. However, it's real.
I think the problem is that you shouldn't be changing the guest visible
state in a stable update of qemu. If you change the guest visible state
in a stable update, then you won't be able to support live migration
between arbitrary stable versions. You can't introduce features without
introducing forward compatibility issues. If you're adding new guest
visible state, you've added a feature.
This is not a live migration problem, this is a problem with your stable
branch policy.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
> Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-23 15:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-22 15:03 [Qemu-devel] Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts Dor Laor
2009-11-22 15:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-22 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 2:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:18 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 13:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 8:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 9:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 9:31 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3einp4e7c.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:37 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3iqd14edf.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:36 ` Gleb Natapov
[not found] ` <m3r5rpwcww.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:32 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:53 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 16:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:19 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m33a45s009.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:05 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3vdh1wd0n.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 16:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 17:08 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 18:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 19:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 19:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 21:21 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 11:00 ` Dor Laor
[not found] ` <m3y6lxqkpv.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 18:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 20:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 13:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:51 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 14:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:00 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-11-23 15:37 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:02 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 14:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3skc2r66t.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-25 16:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:35 ` Paul Brook
2009-11-24 13:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:06 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 17:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 18:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:56 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 19:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 19:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 20:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <m3my2ct2qe.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-24 17:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 13:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 12:15 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-23 13:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:13 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:20 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:10 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 18:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:59 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:53 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 10:39 ` Dor Laor
2009-11-24 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:21 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 16:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 9:30 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 9:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:36 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 13:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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