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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Juan Quintela <quintela@trasno.org>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and   other beasts
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:44:14 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B0AD7FE.5000404@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>

Juan Quintela wrote:
>> The problem here isn't migration, it's what you've decided to backport
>> into your stable branch.
>>     
>
> No. the problem is that I made a mistake in the past.  And didn't add a
> field to the state that I should.  It just happens to work without that
> field in several use cases.  But in others, it fails spectacularly.
> What to do here?
>   

Blacklist the broken version of the format.  If it's known to fail under 
normal usage, that's the only right thing to do given the mechanisms we 
possess today.

>> And from an upstream position, I would oppose implementing the pvclock
>> change in the stable branch exactly because of the problems it would
>> create with live migration.
>>     
>
> Let's say that the problem is when half of the users told you that you
> can't change it in the stable branch, and the other half told you that
> without the change, migration don't work in a reliable way :(
>   

If one user needs one behavior and another user absolute needs a 
different behavior, you provide a mechanism for a user to choose which 
policy they want.

See my proposal about configurable device blacklists.

> It does'nt matter what you do, you lose :(
>   

If we stick strictly to providing mechanisms and default policies, we 
can't lose because we always pass the blame higher in the stack :-)

Regards,

Anthony Liguroi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-23 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-22 15:03 [Qemu-devel] Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts Dor Laor
2009-11-22 15:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-22 20:22   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23  2:17     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23  8:18       ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 13:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23  8:26       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23  9:29         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23  9:31           ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]             ` <m3einp4e7c.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:37               ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]         ` <m3iqd14edf.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 12:36           ` Gleb Natapov
     [not found]             ` <m3r5rpwcww.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:32               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 14:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:53                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:05                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:22                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 15:30                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:32                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:49                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:09                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 16:15                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:19                                 ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                   ` <m33a45s009.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:05                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 16:10                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:28             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:01           ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <m3vdh1wd0n.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 14:49               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:21                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 16:16                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 17:08                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 18:28                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 19:24                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 19:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 21:21                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 11:00                         ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <m3y6lxqkpv.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 16:44                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <m3zl6db11z.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-23 18:44                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-11-23 20:24                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-24 13:39                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 13:51       ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 14:21         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-23 15:00           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 15:37             ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:02           ` Eduardo Habkost
2009-11-23 15:12             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:26               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 14:53         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 14:28           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:33             ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 16:05               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                 ` <m3skc2r66t.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-25 16:28                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:17       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:35         ` Paul Brook
2009-11-24 13:49           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:59             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2009-11-24 14:21               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:06                 ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 17:08                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 17:43                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 18:51                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:56                         ` Blue Swirl
2009-11-24 19:24                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 18:57                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 19:29                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 20:01                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]             ` <m3my2ct2qe.fsf@neno.neno>
2009-11-24 17:41               ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 13:21   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 13:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-24 13:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-23 12:15 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-23 13:09   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-23 14:13     ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:05       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:20         ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:35           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:42             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:42               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:10                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:09                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:52                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-26 18:03                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 13:36         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 13:40           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:59             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-11-25 14:03               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 14:53                 ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25 15:01                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 10:39   ` Dor Laor
2009-11-24 14:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 14:21       ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 14:38         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-24 16:05         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25  9:30           ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-25  9:32             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-25 13:36               ` Juan Quintela
2009-11-24 13:59   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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