From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDJEg-0001fs-Ku for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:52:50 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDJEc-0001as-30 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:52:50 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55201 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDJEb-0001ak-Uk for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:52:45 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:22026) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NDJEb-00066g-Q7 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:52:46 -0500 Received: from int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nAPEqi5N008980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:52:44 -0500 Message-ID: <4B0D44B8.10801@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:52:40 +0100 From: Gerd Hoffmann MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Live migration protocol, device features, ABIs and other beasts References: <4B0952C9.9010803@redhat.com> <4B0A899F.2090805@codemonkey.ws> <20091124140517.GL2405@redhat.com> <20091124143523.GQ2405@redhat.com> <4B0D3441.8010307@redhat.com> <20091125134220.GD9333@redhat.com> <4B0D3AC8.20704@redhat.com> <20091125140955.GA10575@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20091125140955.GA10575@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" Cc: dlaor@redhat.com, qemu-devel , Juan Quintela On 11/25/09 15:09, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > We were discussing features that are (mostly) not user-visible. > It is clear that if you have a user-visible change you have > a different machine, so you can not migrate. > > Now if you fix a bug by changing savevm format, without user visible > changes you *also* can not migrate, but this does not make it into > feature or make it a good fit for machine description. Well, it does fit into the machine description IMHO. When you want migrate to a old qemu version you need to know what the old qemu version understands, and the machine description for old qemu is a natural fit. We still could make the use of this information optional though, so savevm/migration could use either the most recent savevm format (ignoring DeviceState->savevm_version) or the savevm format matching the machine type (using DeviceState->savevm_version) depending on what the user chooses. cheers, Gerd