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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Soeren Sandmann <sandmann@daimi.au.dk>
Cc: Yaniv Kamay <ykamay@redhat.com>, Izik Eidus <ieidus@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] X support for QXL and SPICE
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:31:34 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B230E96.3060708@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ye8hbrxrrl6.fsf_-_@camel26.daimi.au.dk>

Soeren Sandmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is an overview of what the current QXL driver does and does not
> do.  The parts of X rendering that are currently being used by cairo
> and Qt are:
>
> - Most of XRender 
>         - Image compositing
>         - Glyphs
>   

Does anything use Xrender for drawing glyphs these days?

Certainly, with a compositing window manager, nothing is getting 
rendered by X...

> The X driver for the QXL device is not yet very sophisticated. What it
> does is basically this:
>
>         - It keeps a separate memory framebuffer uptodate using
>           software
>
>         - Solid fills and CopyArea requests are turned into SPICE
>           commands.
>
>         - The cursor is drawn using cursor commands
>
>         - For other things, bitmaps are sent across the wire
>                 - It uses the hashing feature of SPICE to only send
>                   hashcodes for those bitmaps if it can get away with
>                   it.
>
> Even this simple support provides a better user experience than VNC
> because scrolling is accelerated and doesn't result in a huge bitmap
> getting sent across the wire.

Scrolling is accelerated in VNC.  In the Cirrus adapter, both X and 
Windows use a video-to-video bitblt, we use this to create a VNC 
CopyRect which makes scrolling and Window movement smooth.

> However, as things stand right now, there is not much point in adding
> this support, because X applications essentially always work like
> this:
>
>         - render to offscreen pixmap
>         - copy pixmap to screen
>
> There is not yet support for offscreen pixmaps in SPICE, so at the
> moment, solid fill and CopyArea are the two main things that actually
> make a difference.
>   

Okay, that's in line with what my expectations were.  So what's the 
future of Spice for X?  Anything clever or is Windows the only target 
right now?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-12  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1072764996.1548651260538641101.JavaMail.root@zmail05.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com>
2009-12-11 13:45 ` [Qemu-devel] Spice project is now open Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 14:03   ` Jun Koi
2009-12-11 14:17     ` Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 14:09   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 14:28     ` Jun Koi
2009-12-11 16:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 16:52         ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 17:01           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:31             ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 17:02         ` Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 17:16           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:21             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 17:28               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:18           ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 18:49           ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 15:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 16:47     ` Yaniv Kamay
2009-12-11 16:57       ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 17:00       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 17:38         ` Johannes Schindelin
2009-12-11 18:48     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 18:57       ` Ben Taylor
2009-12-11 19:06         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:09         ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:00       ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:06         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:22           ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:37             ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:07         ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:24           ` Izik Eidus
2010-01-23 23:39           ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:03       ` malc
2009-12-11 19:10         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:24           ` malc
2009-12-11 19:33             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:53               ` malc
2009-12-11 20:26                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-13 11:11                   ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:04       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:15         ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-11 19:25           ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:42           ` Chris Wright
2009-12-11 19:21         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:30           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:39             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 19:51               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 20:21                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 20:46                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 21:13                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 21:54                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 22:34                         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  0:54                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-12  3:34                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12  9:14                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-12 15:11                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 16:09                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-12 17:28                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13 10:18                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-11 22:08                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2009-12-11 22:33                         ` Dor Laor
2009-12-11 22:46                         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 23:54                           ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:14                             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  0:27                               ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:53                                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  1:08                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  1:33                                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 23:58                           ` [Qemu-devel] X support for QXL and SPICE Soeren Sandmann
2009-12-12  0:05                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:31                               ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  0:37                                 ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12  0:08                             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  3:31                             ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-12-12  3:52                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 15:13                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 15:29                                   ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 15:43                                     ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-12 16:01                                       ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12  6:22                               ` Dave Airlie
2009-12-12 16:39                               ` Soeren Sandmann
2009-12-14 14:07                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 13:56                         ` [Qemu-devel] Spice project is now open Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 14:33                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 20:32                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 20:48                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 21:31                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-11 21:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 22:55                         ` Chris Wright
2009-12-12  3:27                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12  1:03                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-12  3:44                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 14:44                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-12 15:03                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 16:06                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-12 17:40                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 17:48                                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 19:26                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 19:48                                         ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-12 22:41                                           ` Dor Laor
2009-12-12 22:35                                     ` Dor Laor
2009-12-12 23:46                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13  0:23                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-12-13 10:46                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 14:42                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 14:53                                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 15:17                                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-12-14 15:21                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 15:46                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 15:10                                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-12-14 15:50                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 16:00                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-14 16:15                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 17:52                                               ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-12-13 14:56                                         ` Gildas Le Nadan
2009-12-14 14:40                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 14:50                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-12 23:43                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-12 23:52                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13  0:04                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-13  0:18                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-13  9:10                                             ` Izik Eidus
2009-12-15 13:25                                         ` Soeren Sandmann
2009-12-11 19:25         ` [Qemu-devel] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-12-11 19:38           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-11 19:45             ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-12-11 19:53               ` Anthony Liguori

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