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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Sebastian Herbszt <herbszt@gmx.de>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	glommer@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:33:50 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B26931E.4000101@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7FB8DD1225E54176BCAF5523B6AEA89B@FSCPC>

Sebastian Herbszt wrote:
> Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>
>>> Further, we should error out when device is added.
>>> Doing this during boot is way too late, management
>>> won't be able to understand such errors and
>>> won't be able to recover.
>>>   
>>
>> I don't quite understand this.
>>
>> In 0.11, we never loaded option roms unless a user specified -boot 
>> n.  If a user specified -boot n and used more than one nic type, I'm 
>> fairly certain it would error out during start up because it would 
>> run out of option rom space.  Maybe it required three types of nics, 
>> but the point still remains.
>
> I think it used to be possible to have two different nic types and 
> only load
> one rom, e.g. -net nic,model=pcnet -net nic,model=e1000 -option-rom 
> e1000.rom
> Then use the boot menu to select the e1000 nic.

That's a super hack :-)  The fact that works is pure luck.

>> In 0.12, we always load the option rom for a PCI device.  An easy 
>> solution here would be to just gracefully handle the case where we 
>> ran out of option rom space and (silently) stop loading additional 
>> roms.  With respect to -boot n, it makes the behavior buggy (you 
>> cannot boot from the second nic) but my original point is that that 
>> is not a regression from 0.11.
>
> Even if i repeat myself [1] i suggest putting an option-rom loading 
> flag to the -net option:
> -net nic,model=e1000,rom=[on,off,e1000.bin]

Well it ought to be a qdev property and it ought to be applicable to 
every PCI device.

>> For 0.13, we should probably allow a user to suppress option rom 
>> loading for a given PCI device.  The limited space is a pretty good 
>> justification for that.
>
> The default behaviour should be not loading option-roms; users should 
> request those.

I disagree.  A user should not have to decide whether they want PXE boot 
or not when they create a VM.  The less decisions a user has to make up 
front the easier qemu is to use.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-14 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-12-14 10:59           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug? Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 11:55             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-14 13:24               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 13:35                 ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-14 14:01                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 17:00                     ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-14 14:11                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 14:11                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 14:13                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 14:25                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 16:20                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:12                           ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 19:20                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:38                               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 19:33                             ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-12-14 19:42                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:59                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:20                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:32                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 20:34                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:36                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:44                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:51                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15  2:37                                               ` Proper support for PCI-based option rom loading (was Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug?) Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15  3:55                                                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-15  4:34                                                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-15 13:15                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 14:20                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 14:33                                                       ` [SeaBIOS] " Avi Kivity
2009-12-15 17:35                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 23:54                                                           ` Kevin OConnor
2009-12-16  0:41                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16  4:20                                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-15  9:17                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-15 10:14                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-15 19:10                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16 12:03                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 12:39                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 13:42                                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 13:52                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:12                                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-16 14:14                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:17                                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-16 14:15                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:18                                                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-16 14:24                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:28                                                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-16 14:28                                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 19:35                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:17                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 21:41                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16  0:33                                                           ` Chris Wright
2009-12-16  1:32                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16  4:57                                                           ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-16 12:31                                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 16:22                                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-17  1:24                                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-17  9:45                                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-17  9:50                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-17 10:40                                                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 14:41                                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 14:41                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:50                                                               ` [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-15 13:16                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:24                                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15 21:31                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:38                                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15 22:00                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-17 21:14                                                             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-16  4:29                                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-16 12:01                                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-15 19:21                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:19                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 21:45                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:52                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 21:57                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:59                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 22:26                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 22:51                                                                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-16 14:49                                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-17 20:33                                                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15 10:51                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 19:05                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 19:06                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:43                                         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug? Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:50                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 21:05                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 21:36                                               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 21:52                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 22:14                                                   ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15  4:23                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-14 20:47                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 20:56                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:38                                       ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 19:51                               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 14:22                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 17:03                         ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-14 17:01                       ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-14 14:10               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 14:52                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 14:54                   ` Anthony Liguori

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