From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NMivL-0006pI-OR for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:07:47 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NMivG-0006nm-OY for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:07:46 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35437 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NMivG-0006nj-Ju for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:07:42 -0500 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]:27405) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NMivF-00051M-Qp for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:07:42 -0500 Message-ID: <4B2F8114.50200@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:07:16 -0700 From: "David S. Ahern" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm References: <20091220165612.GC31257@redhat.com> <20091220171822.GD31257@redhat.com> <4B2F581A.7030206@redhat.com> <20091221111856.GA6309@redhat.com> <0B948C77-7A15-4321-BA7C-059AA5FC3019@suse.de> <20091221113852.GB6309@redhat.com> <7AE7527C-B437-4807-8F26-515452C789AD@suse.de> <4B2F64A1.9050905@redhat.com> <4B2F7BF2.5090206@cisco.com> <20091221135114.GA7956@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20091221135114.GA7956@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity , Gleb Natapov , Alexander Graf On 12/21/2009 06:51 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 06:45:22AM -0700, David S. Ahern wrote: >> >> On 12/21/2009 05:05 AM, Avi Kivity wrote: >>> On 12/21/2009 01:45 PM, Alexander Graf wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, we have two groups: >>>> >>>> 1) Casual user w/o management app >>>> 2) Enterprise user w/ management app >>>> >>>> So I clearly belong to the first group. >>>> >>> >>> 3) Developer/power user who knows what he's about. >>> >>> You could simply add -cpu qemu64 for those guests that care about it. >>> >> >> 4) embedded virtualization where the use of a management app provides >> little to no added benefit and everything has to be >> "automated" (ie., no user). >> >> My point is there are other use cases besides data center deployments >> (aka enterprise) and workstation (casual/power user). There are use >> cases where virtualization is just yet another tool to achieve a product. >> >> David > > Yes, but unless someone runs qemu directly, default value for any flag > does not matter much. > That's what I was getting at - "direct" invocation of qemu in an automated sense without a libvirt layer. Defaults that do the right thing on the host would be nice, with tweaking from the defaults only if something extra is wanted. David