From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NMnl9-0006da-07 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:17:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NMnl4-0006ba-L1 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:17:34 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50267 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NMnl3-0006bK-Po for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:17:29 -0500 Received: from mail-gx0-f223.google.com ([209.85.217.223]:61327) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NMnl3-0006IF-LX for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:17:29 -0500 Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so5702309gxk.2 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:17:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B2FC9C3.7040503@codemonkey.ws> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:17:23 -0600 From: Anthony Liguori MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4B2E42A2.6030600@codemonkey.ws> <20091220153347.GN4490@redhat.com><4B2E453A.3060004@codemonkey.ws> <20091220155201.GP4490@redhat.com><4B2E6364.9060903@codemonkey.ws><20091221015948.GA23556@morn.localdomain><20091221073204.GS4490@redhat.com> <4B2FA518.7000905@codemonkey.ws><20091221164351.GW4490@redhat.com> <4B2FAFB4.8050102@codemonkey.ws> <20091221174312.GD21163@redhat.com> <1DB151B654AF44C981FA3327A3A514E6@FSCPC> In-Reply-To: <1DB151B654AF44C981FA3327A3A514E6@FSCPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [SeaBIOS] [PATCH 0/8] option rom loadingoverhaul. List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Sebastian Herbszt Cc: Kevin O'Connor , Gerd Hoffmann , Gleb Natapov , qemu-devel@nongnu.org On 12/21/2009 12:24 PM, Sebastian Herbszt wrote: > As stated before i don't like the idea of automagically upgrading the > firmware > on reset, e.g. after a live migration to a newer qemu version. You > have explained > that qemu-kvm needs this in order to work with live migration and > changed hw > support because of bug fixes. Is this only needed in the kvm case? It's not "needed", it's desired. The same case can be made for real hardware (automated firmware updates). > Does any OS (Windows?) depend on the tables the bios creates (e.g. > smbios) > for licensing? It would be ugly if Windows wants you to re-activate > after a reboot > following a migration to newer qemu version and therefore possibly > changed tables > due to newer bios. Yes, and this is a good point. ACPI table changes can absolutely cause re-activation. If we migrate from 0.12 -> 0.13 and make major changes to the ACPI tables in 0.13, then it's very likely that will result in problems for Windows guests. I really think that we need to snapshot the FW and store it with the guest state. If we switch all FW to be allocated with qemu_ram_alloc() and we use an id mechanism, then this will Just Work for savevm based snapshots and live migration. However, for it to work with -M pc-0.11 started from a cold boot, we need an nvram file. We probably want to make available versioned nvram files from each release too. Regards, Anthony Liguori > > - Sebastian >