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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: dlaor@redhat.com
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	John Cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:12:15 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B30EFDF.4060202@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B2F31B1.6040403@redhat.com>

On 12/21/2009 02:28 AM, Dor Laor wrote:
> John's new cpu definitions are the exact solution for this issue - all 
> users, whether using mgmt app or direct qemu (this is no user, this is 
> a developer/hacker/other, let's do not optimize this case) should use 
> the various 'real' cpu definitions like -cpu Merom | Nehalem | Penry | 
> Opteron G1, ....

Of course, the tricky part is at what level do you define these names.  
For instance, do you do just Nehalem, or do you also do Nehalem, 
Nehalem-EP, Nehalem-EX?

Nehalem is really just a code name.  Would it be better to use core-i7?

I think the only two Fully Correct approachs are to support a very 
specific CPU (e.g. Xeon-X5270) or provide the ability to individually 
tweak cpu flags.

The notion of compatibility classes should probably be left to 
management tools.  We can make it a lot easier for them though by 
supporting turning point CPU models.

For instance, Xeon-X5570 should be a least common denominator for 
Nehalem processors.  It's probably better for users too.  It's easier 
for them to answer "do I have anything older than a Xeon-X5570" than to 
ask "do I have any Woodcrest class processors".

I encounter this confusion a lot.  I usually ask people whether they 
have a Nehalem processor when debugging something and their response is 
always, I have a Xeon-XYZ, is that Nehalem?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-22 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-14 19:35 [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 19:44   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:57     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:00       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-14 20:02         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:08           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-14 20:14             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:10           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:18             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:54                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 21:10                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 21:49                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 14:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 17:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 17:56                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20  9:42                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20  9:49               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 14:48                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 14:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:33                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:36                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:38                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:40                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:49                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 15:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 15:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 16:56                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 17:17                       ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:18                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 17:23                           ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:23                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 17:29                             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:37                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 17:59                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 18:06                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21  7:48                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 13:25                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-20 18:12                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21  7:43                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21  8:28                                     ` Dor Laor
2009-12-21 22:51                                       ` john cooper
2009-12-22 13:54                                         ` Dor Laor
2009-12-22 15:19                                           ` john cooper
2009-12-22 16:12                                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-01-05  6:06                                         ` john cooper
2010-01-06  8:02                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]                                         ` <4B31F1BA.10005@redhat.com>
2010-01-06  0:10                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06  3:25                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:25                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06 13:35                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 13:47                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:49                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06 13:54                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:55                                                       ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-06 13:58                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 14:22                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 14:32                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 14:48                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-06 15:16                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07  8:03                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  8:18                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07  9:11                                                                       ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  9:24                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07  9:40                                                                           ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 11:39                                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 11:44                                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 12:00                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:20                                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 12:33                                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 12:40                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:47                                                                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07 12:50                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 13:14                                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 13:42                                                                                           ` Dor Laor
2010-01-11 13:26                                                                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-07 11:59                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:17                                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  8:24                                                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07  9:13                                                                       ` Dor Laor
2010-01-06 15:02                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 15:12                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06  9:44                                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-06  9:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 10:21                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-06 10:25                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 16:19                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-12-21 11:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:59                                     ` Andre Przywara
2009-12-21 16:14                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 23:02                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-21 11:12                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 11:18                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:22                               ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21 11:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:45                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21 12:02                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-22 22:52                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-21 12:05                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 13:45                                       ` David S. Ahern
2009-12-21 13:51                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 14:07                                           ` David S. Ahern
2009-12-21 16:11                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:04                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:04                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 12:09                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:17                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:38                             ` Yaniv Kaul
2009-12-21 13:31                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-22 22:56                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-16 14:23           ` [Qemu-devel] " Andre Przywara

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