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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: dlaor@redhat.com
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	John Cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:16:53 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B44A965.9040300@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B44A2C6.4050504@redhat.com>

On 01/06/2010 08:48 AM, Dor Laor wrote:
> On 01/06/2010 04:32 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 01/06/2010 04:22 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>> We can probably default -enable-kvm to -cpu host, as long as we 
>>>> explain
>>>> very carefully that if users wish to preserve cpu features across
>>>> upgrades, they can't depend on the default.
>>> Hardware upgrades or software upgrades?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>
> I just want to remind all the the main motivation for using -cpu 
> realModelThatWasOnceShiped is to provide correct cpu emulation for the 
> guest. Using a random qemu|kvm64+flag1-flag2 might really cause 
> trouble for the guest OS or guest apps.
>
> On top of -cpu nehalem we can always add fancy features like x2apic, etc.

I think it boils down to, how are people going to use this.

For individuals, code names like Nehalem are too obscure.  From my own 
personal experience, even power users often have no clue whether there 
processor is a Nehalem or not.

For management tools, Nehalem is a somewhat imprecise target because it 
covers a wide range of potential processors.  In general, I think what 
we really need to do is simplify the process of going from, here's the 
output of /proc/cpuinfo for a 100 nodes, what do I need to pass to qemu 
so that migration always works for these systems.

I don't think -cpu nehalem really helps with that problem.  -cpu none 
helps a bit, but I hope we can find something nicer.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-06 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-14 19:35 [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 19:44   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:57     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:00       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-14 20:02         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:08           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-14 20:14             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:10           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:18             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:54                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 21:10                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 21:49                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 14:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 17:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 17:56                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20  9:42                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20  9:49               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 14:48                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 14:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:33                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:36                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:38                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:40                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:49                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 15:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 15:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 16:56                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 17:17                       ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:18                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 17:23                           ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:23                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 17:29                             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:37                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 17:59                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 18:06                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21  7:48                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 13:25                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-20 18:12                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21  7:43                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21  8:28                                     ` Dor Laor
2009-12-21 22:51                                       ` john cooper
2009-12-22 13:54                                         ` Dor Laor
2009-12-22 15:19                                           ` john cooper
2009-12-22 16:12                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-05  6:06                                         ` john cooper
2010-01-06  8:02                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]                                         ` <4B31F1BA.10005@redhat.com>
2010-01-06  0:10                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06  3:25                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:25                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06 13:35                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 13:47                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:49                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06 13:54                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:55                                                       ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-06 13:58                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 14:22                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 14:32                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 14:48                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-06 15:16                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-01-07  8:03                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  8:18                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07  9:11                                                                       ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  9:24                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07  9:40                                                                           ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 11:39                                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 11:44                                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 12:00                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:20                                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 12:33                                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 12:40                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:47                                                                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07 12:50                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 13:14                                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 13:42                                                                                           ` Dor Laor
2010-01-11 13:26                                                                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-07 11:59                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:17                                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  8:24                                                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07  9:13                                                                       ` Dor Laor
2010-01-06 15:02                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 15:12                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06  9:44                                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-06  9:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 10:21                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-06 10:25                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 16:19                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-12-21 11:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:59                                     ` Andre Przywara
2009-12-21 16:14                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 23:02                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-21 11:12                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 11:18                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:22                               ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21 11:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:45                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21 12:02                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-22 22:52                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-21 12:05                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 13:45                                       ` David S. Ahern
2009-12-21 13:51                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 14:07                                           ` David S. Ahern
2009-12-21 16:11                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:04                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:04                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 12:09                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:17                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:38                             ` Yaniv Kaul
2009-12-21 13:31                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-22 22:56                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-16 14:23           ` [Qemu-devel] " Andre Przywara

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