From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>, Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Vadim Rozenfeld <vrozenfe@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][PATCH] performance improvement for windows guests, running on top of virtio block device
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:13:23 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B4B4013.9030706@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B4B39D4.8060405@redhat.com>
On 01/11/2010 08:46 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 01/11/2010 04:37 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> That has the downside of bouncing a cache line on unrelated exits.
>>
>>
>> The read and write sides of the ring are widely separated in physical
>> memory specifically to avoid cache line bouncing.
>
> I meant, exits on random vcpus will cause the cacheline containing the
> notification disable flag to bounce around. As it is, we read it on
> the vcpu that owns the queue and write it on that vcpu or the I/O thread.
Bottom halves are always run from the IO thread.
>>> It probably doesn't matter with qemu as it is now, since it will
>>> bounce qemu_mutex, but it will hurt with large guests (especially if
>>> they have many rings).
>>>
>>> IMO we should get things to work well without riding on unrelated
>>> exits, especially as we're trying to reduce those exits.
>>
>> A block I/O request can potentially be very, very long lived. By
>> serializing requests like this, there's a high likelihood that it's
>> going to kill performance with anything capable of processing
>> multiple requests.
>
> Right, that's why I suggested having a queue depth at which disabling
> notification kicks in. The patch hardcodes this depth to 1, unpatched
> qemu is infinite, a good value is probably spindle count + VAT.
That means we would need a user visible option which is quite unfortunate.
Also, that logic only really makes sense with cache=off. With
cache=writethrough, you can get pathological cases whereas you have an
uncached access followed by cached accesses. In fact, with read-ahead,
this is probably not an uncommon scenario.
>> OTOH, if we aggressively poll the ring when we have an opportunity
>> to, there's very little down side to that and it addresses the
>> serialization problem.
>
> But we can't guarantee that we'll get those opportunities, so it
> doesn't address the problem in a general way. A guest that doesn't
> use hpet and only has a single virtio-blk device will not have any
> reason to exit to qemu.
We can mitigate this with a timer but honestly, we need to do perf
measurements to see. My feeling is that we will need some more
aggressive form of polling than just waiting for IO completion. I don't
think queue depth is enough because it assumes that all requests are
equal. When dealing with cache=off or even just storage with it's own
cache, that's simply not the case.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-01-11 15:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-01-11 7:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH] performance improvement for windows guests, running on top of virtio block device Vadim Rozenfeld
2010-01-11 8:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4B4AE95D.7080305@redhat.com>
2010-01-11 9:19 ` Dor Laor
2010-01-11 13:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 13:13 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 13:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 13:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 14:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-24 2:58 ` Paul Brook
2010-02-24 14:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-25 15:06 ` Paul Brook
2010-02-25 15:23 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-25 16:48 ` Paul Brook
2010-02-25 17:11 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-25 17:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-25 17:33 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-25 18:05 ` malc
2010-02-25 19:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-26 8:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-26 15:39 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 13:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 13:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 14:29 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 14:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 14:46 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:13 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-01-11 15:19 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 15:31 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 15:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 18:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-11 18:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-11 14:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
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