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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	armbru@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/11] QMP: Asynchronous messages enable/disable support
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:35:50 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B5C68D6.6090502@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100124110725.GA5668@shareable.org>

On 01/24/2010 05:07 AM, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>    
>> On 01/22/2010 08:05 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>      
>>> On 01/21/2010 03:09 PM, Luiz Capitulino wrote:
>>>        
>>>> This commit disables asynchronous messages by default and
>>>> introduces two new QMP commands: async_msg_enable and
>>>> async_msg_disable.
>>>>
>>>> Each QMP Monitor has its own set of asynchronous messages,
>>>> so for example, if QEMU is run with two QMP Monitors async
>>>> messages setup in one of them doesn't affect the other.
>>>>
>>>> To implement this design a bitmap is introduced to the
>>>> Monitor struct, each async message is represented by one bit.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Luiz Capitulino<lcapitulino@redhat.com>
>>>>          
>>> Ah, I see I was a little confused.
>>>
>>> I'd suggest making async message masking an independent mechanism.
>>> Capabilities should strictly deal with protocol changes, not feature
>>> details.
>>>
>>> For instance, protocol timestamps are something would reasonable
>>> considered a capability.  Extended data types would be a capability.
>>>
>>> Another way to look at it, is that if you're writing a client library,
>>> the capability negotiation should be entirely invisible to the end API
>>> user.
>>>        
>> I agree with that, but we can look at async messages as a baseline
>> protocol capability (thus no negotiation required), and the new command
>> only enabled individual messages.
>>      
> I'd like to be able to connect and be sure not to receive any async
> messages, from simple scripts with simple output parsing.
>    

You can't have simple output parsing with QMP.  You need a full JSON 
stack.  The simplest script would be a python script that uses the 
builtin json support.  Having async messages means that you'll have to 
loop on recv in order make sure that the response is a command response 
vs. an async message.  It's just a few lines more of code so I have a 
hard time believing it's really a problem.

But what you probably want is a python QMP library and that would mean 
you wouldn't need the few more lines of code.

> If async messages can only be received as a result of commands which
> trigger individual messages, that will be achieved.
>
> But it would be a nice little bonus if disabling async messages caused
> all slow commands to be synchronous - that is, the async result
> message becomes the command's synchronous result.
>    

I know what you're getting at but I think it's the wrong target for 
QMP.  The goal is not to allow simple, hacky clients, but to provide a 
robust management API.  It should not be difficult to use, but parsing 
it in a shell with awk is not a requirement in my mind :-)

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-24 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-21 21:09 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/11]: QMP feature negotiation support Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/11] QMP: Initial mode-oriented bits Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/11] QMP: Introduce 'query-qmp-mode' command Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/11] QError: Add QMP mode-oriented errors Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/11] QMP: Introduce qmp_switch_mode command Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/11] QMP: advertise asynchronous messages Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/11] QMP: Array-based async messages Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/11] QError: New QERR_ASYNC_MSG_NOT_FOUND Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/11] QMP: Asynchronous messages enable/disable support Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-22 18:05   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-22 20:09     ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-22 23:14       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-25 14:29       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-25 14:33         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-25 15:11           ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-24 10:34     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-24 11:07       ` Jamie Lokier
2010-01-24 15:35         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-01-24 18:35           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-01-25 11:49             ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-25 14:15               ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-25 14:22                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-24 14:04       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-24 14:17         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-24 14:19           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-25 12:02             ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-24 10:36   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-01-25 13:14     ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/11] Monitor: Introduce find_info_cmd() Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/11] QError: New QERR_QMP_INVALID_MODE_COMMAND Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-21 21:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/11] QMP: Enable feature negotiation support Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-22 10:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/11]: QMP " Markus Armbruster
2010-01-22 12:09   ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-22 14:00     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-22 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-25 14:33   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-26 11:53     ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-26 12:57       ` Jamie Lokier
2010-01-26 13:45         ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-01-26 14:29         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-26 15:57           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-01-26 16:21             ` Luiz Capitulino

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