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From: Yoshiaki Tamura <tamura.yoshiaki@lab.ntt.co.jp>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	OHMURA Kei <ohmura.kei@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 1/3] qemu-kvm: Wrap phys_ram_dirty with additional inline functions.
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:05:15 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B78D60B.8030309@lab.ntt.co.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B7655C4.1050507@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 02/12/2010 04:08 AM, OHMURA Kei wrote:
>>> Why do you need a counter? It may be sufficient to set a single bit.
>>> This reduces the memory overhead and perhaps cache thrashing.
>> Thanks for looking into this. I agree with your opinion.
>>
>> Our motivation here is to skip traveling when the dirty bitmap is
>> really sparse
>> or dense, so either setting a bit or counting up would be fine.
>>
>> There is one advantage to the counter approach that we can make this
>> large
>> traveling granularity flexible. In case of the bit approach, the maximum
>> granularity is limited to HOST_LONG_BITS. If you think this
>> flexibility is to
>> be useless, we would take the bit approach.
>
> The bit approach can be used for any packing ratio; for example you can
> pack 64 pages in a single bit. The rule is that if one or more pages is
> dirty, the bit is set; otherwise it is clear. This makes clearing a
> single page expensive (you have to examine the state of 63 other pages)
> but IIRC we always clear in ranges, so apart from the edges, you can use
> a memset.

Sounds good.
If we could extend the packing ratio to kvm (in kernel),
it would be more efficient.

>> By the way, this is about filling the gap of the dirty bitmap management
>> between kvm and qemu. Do you think we should set a bit when qemu's
>> phys_ram_dirty is 0xff or !0?
>>
>> Radically, if we could have a bit-based phys_ram_dirty_by_word, we may
>> just OR
>> the dirty bitmap of kvm with qemu in kvm_get_dirty_pages_log_range()...
>
> The problem is that the qemu uses the dirty information for at least
> three different purposes: live migration, vga updates, and tcg
> self-modifying code. But I think that's solvable: keep a separate bitmap
> for each purpose, and OR the kvm bitmap into any used qemu bitmap
> whenever we get it from the kernel.
>
> That has many advantages; foremost, when vnc is not connected and we
> aren't live migrating, we can drop all of the bitmaps and save some
> memory. If you can make that work I think that's best.

Would be happy to do it.
We were also thinking that approach originally, but hesitating because the 
changes might be radical.  I hope this plan is fine for upstream qemu too.

      reply	other threads:[~2010-02-15  5:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-08 10:22 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] qemu-kvm: Wrap phys_ram_dirty with additional inline functions OHMURA Kei
2010-02-11 12:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-02-12  2:08   ` OHMURA Kei
2010-02-13  7:33     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-15  5:05       ` Yoshiaki Tamura [this message]

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