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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Vadim Rozenfeld <vrozenfe@redhat.com>,
	Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][PATCH] performance improvement for windows guests, running on top of virtio block device
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:15:48 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B86B044.6020501@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B86AF40.5090401@redhat.com>

On 02/25/2010 11:11 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 02/25/2010 05:06 PM, Paul Brook wrote:
>>>> Idle bottom halves (i.e. qemu_bh_schedule_idle) are just bugs 
>>>> waiting to
>>>> happen, and should never be used for anything.
>>> Idle bottom halves make considerable more sense than the normal bottom
>>> halves.
>>>
>>> The fact that rescheduling a bottom half within a bottom half 
>>> results in
>>> an infinite loop is absurd.  It is equally absurd that bottoms halves
>>> alter the select timeout.  The result of that is that if a bottom half
>>> schedules another bottom half, and that bottom half schedules the
>>> previous, you get a tight infinite loop.  Since bottom halves are used
>>> often times deep within functions, the result is very subtle infinite
>>> loops (that we've absolutely encountered in the past).
>> I disagree. The "select timeout" is a completely irrelevant 
>> implementation
>> detail. Anything that relies on it is just plain wrong. If you 
>> require a delay
>> then you should be using a timer. If scheduling a BH directly then 
>> you should
>> expect it to be processed without delay.
>
> I agree.  Further, once we fine-grain device threading, the iothread 
> essentially disappears and is replaced by device-specific threads.  
> There's no "idle" anymore.

That's a nice idea, but how is io dispatch handled?  Is everything 
synchronous or do we continue to program asynchronously?

It's very difficult to mix concepts.  I personally don't anticipate 
per-device threading but rather anticipate re-entrant device models.  I 
would expect all I/O to be dispatched within the I/O thread and the VCPU 
threads to be able to execute device models simultaneously with the I/O 
thread.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-25 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-11  7:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH] performance improvement for windows guests, running on top of virtio block device Vadim Rozenfeld
2010-01-11  8:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]   ` <4B4AE95D.7080305@redhat.com>
2010-01-11  9:19     ` Dor Laor
2010-01-11 13:11       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 13:13         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 13:16           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 13:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 14:00             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-24  2:58               ` Paul Brook
2010-02-24 14:59                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-25 15:06                   ` Paul Brook
2010-02-25 15:23                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-25 16:48                       ` Paul Brook
2010-02-25 17:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-25 17:15                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-02-25 17:33                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-25 18:05                           ` malc
2010-02-25 19:55                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-26  8:47                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:36                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-02-26 15:39                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 13:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-11 13:49     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 14:29       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 14:37         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 14:46           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:13             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 15:19               ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:22                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 15:31                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:32                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 15:35                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-11 15:38                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-11 18:22               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-11 18:20           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-11 14:25     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity

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