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From: Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: "libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in	libvirt
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:54:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BA881D5.8000506@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BA7E6F0.5010501@codemonkey.ws>

On 03/22/10 22:53, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 03/22/2010 04:33 PM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>> libvirt is very unfriendly to qemu hackers. There is no easy way to
>> add command line switches. There is no easy way to get access to the
>> monitor. I can get it done by pointing <emulator> to a wrapper script
>> and mangle the qemu command line there. But this sucks big time. And
>> it doesn't integrate with libvirt at all.
>
> It's not just developers. As we're doing deployments of qemu/kvm, we
> keep running into the same problem. We realize that we need to use a
> feature of qemu/kvm that isn't modelled by libvirt today. I've gone as
> far as to temporarily pausing libvirtd, finding the pty fd from
> /proc/<pid>, and hijacking the monitor session temporarily.

One problem I have found, and I am not sure how to fix this in this
context. Sometimes when hacking on qemu, I want to try out a new
qemu binary on an existing image, without replacing the system wide
one and may want to pass new command line flags for testing those, plus
have access to the monitor.

What I do now is to look at the command line arguments of a guest using
ps and try and mimic it, but due to the random magic ptys and other
stuff, it's practically impossible to replicate a libvirt spawned qemu
on the command line. I end up having a somewhat similar command line
with everything removed that I cannot replicate.

I find it a real problem that libvirt tries to wrap things to the point
that an ordinary human cannot read, modify it's configuration or do a
simple command line spawn to replicate it, but as I said, I am not sure
how to solve the problem.

Regards,
Jes

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-23  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-22 19:25 [Qemu-devel] Supporting hypervisor specific APIs in libvirt Anthony Liguori
2010-03-22 20:10 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-22 21:33   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-22 21:53     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-23  8:54       ` Jes Sorensen [this message]
2010-03-23 10:25         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-23 10:31           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-03-23 10:58             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-22 23:36     ` Cole Robinson
2010-03-22 21:49   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-23  7:35     ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-23 23:25       ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-24  0:55         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 10:05           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-03-24 12:25             ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 12:48               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25  2:43                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-23 11:33     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-24 10:23     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-22 20:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-23 10:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-03-23 10:41   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-23 10:50     ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-23 11:08       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-23 12:19         ` Juan Quintela
2010-03-23 23:13     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-24  7:59       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-24 13:52         ` Cole Robinson
2010-03-24 14:00           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-03-23 23:19   ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-24  2:22   ` Andi Kleen
2010-03-24  8:49     ` Juan Quintela
     [not found] ` <20100323145105.GV16253@redhat.com>
2010-03-23 15:05   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Anthony Liguori
2010-03-23 15:57     ` Paul Brook
2010-03-23 16:06       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-23 18:00         ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-23 18:23           ` [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-24  1:05             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24  4:48             ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-23 19:28           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Anthony Liguori
2010-03-23 23:09             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-24  5:17           ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 10:36             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-24 10:42               ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 12:23                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 12:29                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 12:32                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 12:33                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-25  0:28                         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-24 16:42                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-24 19:49                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 20:12                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-24 20:32                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 20:54                         ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-24 21:33                           ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-25  7:49                             ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-24 21:25                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-24 21:40                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25  8:26                             ` Vincent Hanquez
2010-03-25  8:49                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-25 12:33                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25 12:37                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-25 13:44                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25 13:48                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-25 13:57                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25 14:09                                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-25 15:59                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-26  2:11                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-25 14:21                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-25 14:22                                         ` Vincent Hanquez
2010-03-25 16:50                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-03-25 17:40                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-26  7:37                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-03-26  9:26                                           ` [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-03-26  9:51                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [libvirt] " Avi Kivity
2010-03-26 12:53                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-26 13:53                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25 13:37                                 ` Gildas Le Nadan
2010-03-25 13:59                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-25 14:56                                 ` Vincent Hanquez
2010-03-25 15:07                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-25 15:14                                     ` Vincent Hanquez
2010-03-25 15:16                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-25 16:01                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-25 16:30                                           ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-26  2:18                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-25 13:23                             ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-25 13:55                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-26 12:52                                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-03-25  6:37                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-25  8:18                           ` Alexander Graf
2010-03-26 16:01                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 12:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 12:27               ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 12:30                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24 12:32                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-23 18:07         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-03-23 19:24           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24  5:49             ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 12:30               ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 12:34                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-24 13:03                   ` Paul Brook
2010-03-24 15:55                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-03-24 16:12                       ` Paul Brook
2010-03-23 23:22         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-23 17:57 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-03-23 19:31   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-03-24  4:53     ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-26  2:31       ` Jamie Lokier

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