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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/8] Add QBuffer
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:45:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF0F437.6040302@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BF0F2FD.90408@siemens.com>

On 05/17/2010 10:40 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>
>> The alternative is to have a schema.  Sun RPC/XDR doesn't carry any type
>> information (you can't even distinguish between a number and text) yet C
>> clients have to problem extracting typed information from it.
>>
>> Having __class__ everywhere means we're carrying the schema in every
>> message instead of just once.
>>      
> The device_show command is already an example where you don't have a
> predefined schema. It is derived from the data stream the encodes the
> vmstate fields. So far we have no collision between base64-encoded
> buffers and real strings, but this may actually change when we start
> annotating the fields with symbolic constants.
>    

What is the receiver to do with it?

If it doesn't know the schema (and there is no schema), then all it can 
do is display the key/values.  If it does know the schema, then 
__class__ is unnecessary.

My worry is that __class__ will make the protocol more ad-hoc.

> I really don't see the problem with __class__. Being a text protocol,
> JSON is already fairly verbose.
>    

The problem is not the verbosity, it's that information is carried too 
late.  Many clients want to know this information at compile time or 
initialization time, and we are providing it at object instantiating time.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-17  7:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-14 13:20 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/8] Basic device state visualization Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/8] qdev: Allow device addressing via 'driver.instance' Jan Kiszka
2010-05-18 12:15   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-18 12:31     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-18 12:38       ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-18 13:06         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-05-18 16:54       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-19  8:29       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/8] Add base64 encoder/decoder Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/8] Add QBuffer Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 18:15   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-15  8:45     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-15  8:49       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-15  8:59         ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-15 17:31           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  9:37             ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-16  9:50               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16 10:15                 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-16 10:16                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-16 10:49                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16 10:04             ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-16 17:38     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2010-05-16 18:03       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17 20:20         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-17  0:12       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-05-17  6:48         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  7:40           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17  7:45             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-05-17  7:57               ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17  8:10                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  8:13                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  8:55                   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17  8:59                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  9:17                       ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-17  9:29                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-18 12:27                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-18 17:24                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17 13:05               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-18 12:28                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/8] monitor: Add basic device state visualization Jan Kiszka
2010-05-18 12:12   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-05-18 17:09     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/8] qmp: Teach basic capability negotiation to python example Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/8] qmp: Fix python helper /wrt long return strings Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/8] Add QLIST_INSERT_TAIL Jan Kiszka
2010-05-16  9:38   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-05-16 10:16     ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 13:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/8] qdev: Add new devices/buses at the tail Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 16:12 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 0/8] Basic device state visualization Avi Kivity
2010-05-14 16:24   ` Jan Kiszka
2010-05-14 16:38     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-14 18:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-05-14 18:50 ` Blue Swirl

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