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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] virtio: put last seen used index into ring itself
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:04:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF4D0F5.7050003@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100519223312.GC4111@redhat.com>

On 05/20/2010 01:33 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>
>> Virtio is already way too bouncy due to the indirection between the
>> avail/used rings and the descriptor pool.  A device with out of order
>> completion (like virtio-blk) will quickly randomize the unused
>> descriptor indexes, so every descriptor fetch will require a bounce.
>>
>> In contrast, if the rings hold the descriptors themselves instead of
>> pointers, we bounce (sizeof(descriptor)/cache_line_size) cache lines for
>> every descriptor, amortized.
>>      
> On the other hand, consider that on fast path we are never using all
> of the ring. With a good allocator we might be able to keep
> reusing only small part of the ring, instead of wrapping around
> all of it all of the time.
>    

It's still suboptimal, we have to bounce both the avail/used rings and 
the descriptor pool, compared to just the descriptor ring with a direct 
design.  Plus we don't need a fancy allocator.

When amortizing cachelines, simple data structures win.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-20  6:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-05 20:58 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] virtio: put last seen used index into ring itself Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-05 21:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dor Laor
2010-05-06  2:31 ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-06  6:19   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-07  3:33     ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-09 21:06       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-06 10:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-05-07  3:23   ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-11 19:27     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-11 19:52       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-19  7:39       ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-19  8:06         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-19 22:33           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-20  6:04             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-05-20  5:01           ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-20  5:08             ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-23 15:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-23 15:41                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-23 15:51                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-23 16:03                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-23 16:30                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-24  6:37                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24  8:05                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-24 11:00                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-23 17:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-23 15:56               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-20  7:00             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-20 14:34               ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-20 15:46                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-20 10:04             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-11 18:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Ryan Harper
2010-05-11 19:48   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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