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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, Christian Brunner <chb@muc.de>,
	MORITA Kazutaka <morita.kazutaka@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/1] ceph/rbd block driver for qemu-kvm
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:36:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BFBD261.9040908@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BFBD0C6.9000105@codemonkey.ws>

On 05/25/2010 04:29 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> The current situation is that those block format drivers only exist 
>> in qemu.git or as patches.  Surely that's even more unhappiness.
>>
>> Confusion could be mitigated:
>>
>>   $ qemu -module my-fancy-block-format-driver.so
>>   my-fancy-block-format-driver.so does not support this version of 
>> qemu (0.19.2).  Please contact 
>> my-fancy-block-format-driver-devel@example.org.
>>
>> The question is how many such block format drivers we expect.  We now 
>> have two in the pipeline (ceph, sheepdog), it's reasonable to assume 
>> we'll want an lvm2 driver and btrfs driver.  This is an area with a 
>> lot of activity and a relatively simply interface.
>
>
> If we expose a simple interface, I'm all for it.  But BlockDriver is 
> not simple and things like the snapshoting API need love.
>
> Of course, there's certainly a question of why we're solving this in 
> qemu at all.  Wouldn't it be more appropriate to either (1) implement 
> a kernel module for ceph/sheepdog if performance matters 

We'd need a kernel-level generic snapshot API for this eventually.

> or (2) implement BUSE to complement FUSE and CUSE to enable proper 
> userspace block devices.

Likely slow due do lots of copying.  Also needs a snapshot API.

(ABUSE was proposed a while ago by Zach).

> If you want to use a block device within qemu, you almost certainly 
> want to be able to manipulate it on the host using standard tools 
> (like mount and parted) so it stands to reason that addressing this in 
> the kernel makes more sense.

qemu-nbd also allows this.

This reasoning also applies to qcow2, btw.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-25 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19 19:22 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/1] ceph/rbd block driver for qemu-kvm Christian Brunner
2010-05-20 20:31 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-20 21:18   ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-20 21:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-20 22:16       ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-21  5:28         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-21  6:13           ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-21  5:54         ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-23 12:01       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24  7:12         ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 11:05           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 11:42             ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 11:56               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 12:07                 ` Cláudio Martins
2010-05-24 14:01                 ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 19:07                   ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-24 19:38                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25  9:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:17                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:25                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:29                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:36                               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-05-25 13:54                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:57                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:02                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-26  8:44                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:01                             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 16:21                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 17:12                                 ` Sage Weil
2010-05-26  5:24                                   ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-26  8:46                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 19:16                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25  9:19                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:26                   ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24  8:27         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-24 11:03           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 19:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25  9:22               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 11:02         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 11:25           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 12:03             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-25 12:13               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:25             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:31               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:35                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:38                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:55                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 14:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:05                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 15:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 15:01                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 16:16                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 16:21                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 16:27                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:53               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 13:55                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:03                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 15:02                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:09                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 15:01                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-20 23:02   ` Yehuda Sadeh Weinraub
2010-05-23  7:59     ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-24  2:17       ` Yehuda Sadeh Weinraub
2010-05-25 20:13         ` Blue Swirl

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