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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Cc: Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/5] QMP: Introduce MIGRATION events
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:10:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BFBF66F.3030702@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3ljb8ge84.fsf@trasno.mitica>

On 05/25/2010 11:04 AM, Juan Quintela wrote:
> Anthony Liguori<anthony@codemonkey.ws>  wrote:
>    
>> On 05/25/2010 10:35 AM, Juan Quintela wrote:
>>      
>    
>>> problem here is that libvirt start target with -S, and waits to do the
>>> "cont" as soon as possible.  As of know, only way to do it is to poll
>>> info migrate on source faster.
>>>
>>>        
>> Why does it do that??
>>
>> That sound like a terrible idea.
>>      
> Becaues migration is not reliable, and they don't have a way to issue
> cont only in one of the sides :(
>    

I don't know what you mean by reliable.

When the migration completes on the destination, it will start 
automatically.

The source will not start unless explicitly invoked.  If you 
successfully cancel a migration on the source, it's guaranteed that it 
won't start on the destination.  So the sequence looks like:

src) // decide we want to give up migration
src) migrate_cancel
src) // check migration status
src) cont // if migration cancelled
src) //if migration succeeded, check destination for completion
dst) // if not responsive and not completed in appropriate amount of 
time, kill guest
src) cont // if killed destination

I don't see what the problem is.

> We make migration protocol reliable, or management application have to
> decide when migration suceeded or not.
>    

Reliability has nothing to do with the protocol and everything to do 
with the presence of the third node.

> This new events help then a lot.  But they issue the cont really fast
> (before migration ends).  I don't remember why they did that.
>    

If libvirt is launching the destination with -S, it's doing the wrong 
thing and we ought make sure the proper fix gets implemented.

> danp?
>
>    
>>>> There should be some information about why it failed, no? Preferrably
>>>> in a QError format.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> At this point, we have basically -1 :(
>>>
>>> I can add a field with an error number, but we are very bad at the
>>> moment about moving errno's upstack.
>>>
>>>        
>> We need a better solution for reporting errors via notifications.
>>      
> Suggestions?
>
> Notice that what we need now is a way to know if migration ended with
> success or in any other way, as soon as possible.
>    

Markus/Luiz?

>>>> I think this makes more sense as a MIGRATION_CONNECTED event.  It
>>>> probably should carry peer information too.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> What kind of peer information?
>>>
>>> We have tcp/fd/exec/unix migrations.  calling it CONNECTED vs STARTED, I
>>> don't care.  But adding information?  Notice that the management
>>> application knows what it did, I can put the:
>>>
>>>    "exec: gzip -d<   /tmp/foo"
>>>
>>> string, but not much more that I can put here.
>>>
>>>        
>> Basically, do we have any useful information in info migrate that we
>> can include?
>>      
> (qemu) info migrate
> Migration status: active
> transferred ram: 874808 kbytes
> remaining ram: 227912 kbytes
> total ram: 1065344 kbytes
> (qemu)
>
> I can't see anything interesting to put here :(
>    

Ugh.

> About the CONNECTED/STARTED distintion, I fully agree with danp.  We
> just want STARTED event for migration, CONNECTION should be generated
> (or not) for all sockets/char devices.  it don't make sense for fd/exec
> for instance.
>    

That makes sense to me.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Later, Juan.
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-25 16:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-25 14:21 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/5] Add QMP migration events Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] Exit if incoming migration fails Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 18:01   ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-05-25 18:37     ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 18:52       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/5] Factorize common migration incoming code Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] QMP: Introduce MIGRATION events Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 15:09   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 15:35     ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 15:52       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-05-25 15:57       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 16:04         ` Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 16:10           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-05-25 18:13             ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-05-25 16:04         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-05-25 16:04         ` Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 16:25           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-05-25 16:33             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 16:43               ` Juan Quintela
2010-05-26 10:33                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-05-26 14:54                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-26 15:15                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-05-26 16:55                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-27 13:48                         ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-05-27 15:58                           ` Juan Quintela
2010-05-27 16:07                             ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-05-27 16:07                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-26 10:16               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-05-25 18:21       ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-05-25 18:38         ` Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 15:48     ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-05-25 18:31   ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-05-25 18:51     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-26 13:14       ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-05-25 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] QMP: Emit migration events on incoming migration Juan Quintela
2010-05-25 14:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/5] QMP: Emit migration events on outgoing migration Juan Quintela
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-24  8:25 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/5] Add QMP migration events Juan Quintela
2010-05-24  8:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] QMP: Introduce MIGRATION events Juan Quintela
2010-05-24  9:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini

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