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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Bruce Rogers <brogers@novell.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] move 'unsafe' to end of caching modes in help
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:24:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C4DE0F7.5010305@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C4DDC16.2000603@codemonkey.ws>

  On 07/26/2010 10:03 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 07/26/2010 11:29 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>  On 07/26/2010 07:26 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>
>>>> The help output is *not* a supported interface. 
>>>
>>> There is no supported, usable interface for this.
>>
>> Well actually, libvirt could probe this by starting qemu with cache=x 
>> for various x and seeing if it breaks.  But the milk has already been 
>> spilled.
>
> So we're stuck with supporting the help output as an interface 
> forever?   Even with a capabilities system, what about old versions of 
> libvirt?

No, the rate of crap generation seems to increase all the time, we have 
to get rid of it eventually.  If we provide a replacement, give a 
warning, wait some months for libvirt^Wusers to catch up, and throw away 
the deprecated feature, we can remove any feature we like.  This is 
still a fast moving field and users to upgrade.  Just not every week.

>
> At some point in time, old versions of libvirt are going to stop 
> working with new versions of QEMU because the help output changes.  If 
> libvirt switches to something more reliable (like versioning), then 
> the gap is closed until there is a capabilities system.
>
> There will be a breakage though and we shouldn't pretend that taking 
> this patch does anything other than delay that breakage.

There's a difference between
- planned breakage with a warning ahead of time
- unplanned breakage
- unplanned breakage with unwillingness to fix

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-26 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-21 20:32 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] move 'unsafe' to end of caching modes in help Bruce Rogers
2010-07-21 20:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-21 21:32   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-21 21:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-21 21:58       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-21 23:39         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-22  0:45           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-07-22  6:53           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-22  8:42           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-22 14:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-23  8:00               ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-26 15:53                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 16:26                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 16:29                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 19:03                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 19:24                         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-07-26 19:43                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Juan Quintela
2010-07-26 16:40                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 16:54                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 18:59                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 19:19                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 19:35                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-26 19:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-07-26 20:03                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-27  8:11                               ` Markus Armbruster
2010-07-27  9:47                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-07-27 12:30                                   ` Cole Robinson
2010-07-27 12:50                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-07-27 13:35                                       ` Cole Robinson
2010-07-27  8:26                               ` Markus Armbruster
2010-08-03  9:43                                 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-07-27  8:56                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-07-22 13:45   ` Luiz Capitulino
2010-07-27 10:26 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-07-27 13:11   ` Bruce Rogers

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