From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Anyone seeing huge slowdown launching qemu with Linux 2.6.35?
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:14:27 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C599FF3.5070208@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <966B1FAB-7E03-4EA6-AC74-767FC400A9CC@suse.de>
On 08/04/2010 08:01 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
>>
>>> 2) Using a different interface (that could also be DMA fw_cfg - remember, we're on a private interface anyways)
>> A guest/host interface is not private.
> fw_cfg is as private as it gets with host/guest interfaces. It's about as close as CPU specific MSRs or SMC chips.
>
Well, it isn't. Two external projects already use it. You can't change
it due to the needs to live migrate from older versions.
>>> Admittedly 1 would also help in more cases than just booting with -kernel and -initrd, but if that won't get us to acceptable levels (and yes, 8 seconds for 100MB is unacceptable) I don't see any way around 2.
>> 3) don't use -kernel for 100MB or more. It's not the right tool.
> Why not? You're the one always ranting about caring about users. Now you get at least 3 users from the Qemu development community actually using a feature and you just claim it's wrong? Please, we've added way more useless features for worse reasons.
>
It's not wrong in itself, but using it with supersized initrds is
wrong. The data is stored in qemu, host pagecache, and the guest, so
three copies, it's limited by guest RAM, has to be live migrated. Sure
we could optimize it, but it's better to spend our efforts on more
mainstream users.
If you want to pull large amounts of data into the guest efficiently,
use virtio-blk. That's what it's for.
--
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.
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Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-03 11:13 [Qemu-devel] Anyone seeing huge slowdown launching qemu with Linux 2.6.35? Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 11:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 12:10 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 12:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 12:48 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 13:19 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 14:05 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 14:38 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 14:53 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 16:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:28 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 16:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:46 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 17:01 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 17:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 17:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:11 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 18:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 18:43 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 18:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:00 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:05 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:09 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:41 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 19:47 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 5:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 21:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-03 21:20 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04 5:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 7:56 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04 8:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 8:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 9:22 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-04 13:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:24 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 13:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 15:01 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 15:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 22:41 ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-08-04 16:26 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 13:34 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 13:52 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:00 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 14:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 14:22 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 14:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:33 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:36 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:52 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05 7:28 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2010-08-05 7:34 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05 7:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05 7:59 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05 8:45 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05 8:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-05 13:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:45 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:01 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:14 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-08-04 17:27 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 20:06 ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-04 20:16 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-05 2:38 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:31 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:36 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:46 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 17:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 18:13 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 18:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 18:18 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 18:19 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 18:18 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 13:22 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 13:29 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 16:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 22:06 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 5:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 9:24 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 9:27 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 9:52 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 11:33 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-04 11:36 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 12:07 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 12:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:13 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 19:17 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 19:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 19:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 20:00 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 20:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 21:13 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-03 21:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 7:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 8:19 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 12:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 16:46 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:48 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 16:51 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2010-08-04 17:19 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:25 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 17:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 17:37 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 17:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 18:05 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 5:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 1:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-08-04 8:21 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 14:51 ` David S. Ahern
2010-08-04 14:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-04 15:25 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:31 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 15:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 15:59 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-04 16:08 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-04 16:48 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 23:17 ` Kevin O'Connor
2010-08-05 5:26 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-08-03 16:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:48 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 17:00 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 17:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:56 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2010-08-03 17:08 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-03 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-03 16:43 ` Richard W.M. Jones
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