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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@gmail.com, mjt@tls.msk.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	hch@lst.de
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes"
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:40:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C73CBD6.7000900@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C73CB85.9010306@redhat.com>

On 08/24/2010 08:39 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>  On 08/24/2010 04:35 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> It's about metadata writes.  If an operation changes metadata, we 
>>> must sync it to disk before writing any data or other metadata which 
>>> depends on it, regardless of any promises to the guest.
>>
>>
>> Why?  If the metadata isn't sync, we loose the write.
>>
>> But that can happen anyway because we're not sync'ing the data
>>
>> We need to sync the metadata in the event of a guest initiated flush, 
>> but we shouldn't need to for a normal write.
>
> 1. Allocate a cluster (increase refcount table)
>
> 2. Link cluster to L2 table
>
> 3. Second operation makes it to disk; first still in pagecache
>
> 4. Crash
>
> 5. Dangling pointer from L2 to freed cluster

Yes, having this discussion in IRC.

The problem is that we maintain a refcount table.  If we didn't do 
internal disk snapshots, we wouldn't have this problem.  IOW, VMDK 
doesn't have this problem so the answer to my very first question is 
that qcow2 is too difficult a format to get right.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-24 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-24 10:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes" Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 11:06   ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 11:40   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:56     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:12         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:18           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:21             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:27               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:35                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:53                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:21     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 12:23       ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 12:48 ` Juan Quintela
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:16   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:35         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:39           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:40             ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-08-24 13:44               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:56                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25  7:14                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 12:46                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:07                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:23                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:42                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:14                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:06                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 15:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:21                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:46                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:19                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:26                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:49                             ` Daniel P. Berrange

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