From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
stefanha@gmail.com, mjt@tls.msk.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
hch@lst.de
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes"
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:46:57 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C7510C1.8080305@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C74C2F3.9050506@redhat.com>
On 08/25/2010 02:14 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> If (c) happens before (b), then we've created an extent that's
>> attached to a table with a zero reference count. This is a corrupt
>> image.
>>
>
>
> If the only issue is new block allocation, it can be easily solved.
Technically, I believe there are similar issues around creating
snapshots but I don't think we care.
> Instead of allocating exactly the needed amount of blocks, allocate
> a large extent and hold them in memory.
So you're suggesting that we allocate a bunch of blocks, update the ref
count table so that they are seen as allocated even though they aren't
attached to an l1 table?
> The next allocation can then be filled from memory, so the
> allocation sync is amortized over many blocks. A power fail will leak
> the preallocated blocks, losing some megabytes of address space, but
> not real disk space.
It's a clever idea, but it would lose real disk space which is probably
not a huge issue.
>> Let's consider if we eliminate the reference count table which means
>> eliminating internal snapshots.
>>
>> 1) guest submits write request
>> 2) allocate extent
>> 3) write data to disk (a)
>> 4) write (a) completes
>> 5) write extent table (c)
>> 6) write (c) completes
>> 7) complete guest write request
>>
>> If this all happens in order and we lose power, we just leak a
>> block. It means we need a periodic fsck.
>>
>> If (c) completes before (a), then it means that the image is not
>> corrupted but data gets lost. This is okay based on the guest contract.
>>
>> And that's it. There is no scenario where the disk is corrupted.
>
> _if_ that's the only failure mode.
If we had another disk format that only supported growth and metadata
for a backing file, can you think of another failure scenario?
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-25 12:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-24 10:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes" Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 11:06 ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 11:40 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:56 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:10 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:12 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:18 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:21 ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:27 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:35 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:39 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:53 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:21 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 12:23 ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 12:48 ` Juan Quintela
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:31 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:39 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:44 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 7:14 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 12:46 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-08-25 13:07 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:23 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:00 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 15:15 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:46 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:03 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:37 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:49 ` Daniel P. Berrange
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