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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@gmail.com, mjt@tls.msk.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	hch@lst.de
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes"
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:07:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C7515AE.9020808@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C7510C1.8080305@codemonkey.ws>

  On 08/25/2010 03:46 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 02:14 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> If (c) happens before (b), then we've created an extent that's 
>>> attached to a table with a zero reference count.  This is a corrupt 
>>> image.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If the only issue is new block allocation, it can be easily solved.
>
> Technically, I believe there are similar issues around creating 
> snapshots but I don't think we care.
>
>>   Instead of allocating exactly the needed amount of blocks, allocate 
>> a large extent and hold them in memory.
>
> So you're suggesting that we allocate a bunch of blocks, update the 
> ref count table so that they are seen as allocated even though they 
> aren't attached to an l1 table?

Yes.  Like malloc() will ask the OS for more memory that the 20-byte 
allocation you've requested.

>
>>   The next allocation can then be filled from memory, so the 
>> allocation sync is amortized over many blocks.  A power fail will 
>> leak the preallocated blocks, losing some megabytes of address space, 
>> but not real disk space.
>
> It's a clever idea, but it would lose real disk space which is 
> probably not a huge issue.

Not real disk space since no pwrite() would ever touch the disk.  If the 
image were copied, _then_ we'd lose the disk space, if the copy command 
and filesystem don't optimize zeros away.

>>>
>>> And that's it.  There is no scenario where the disk is corrupted.
>>
>> _if_ that's the only failure mode.
>
> If we had another disk format that only supported growth and metadata 
> for a backing file, can you think of another failure scenario?
>

I can't think of one, but that's not saying much.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-25 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-24 10:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes" Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 11:06   ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 11:40   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:56     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:12         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:18           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:21             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:27               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:35                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:53                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:21     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 12:23       ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 12:48 ` Juan Quintela
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:16   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:35         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:39           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:44               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:56                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25  7:14                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 12:46                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:07                       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-08-25 13:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:23                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:42                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:14                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:06                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 15:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:21                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:46                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:19                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:26                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:49                             ` Daniel P. Berrange

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