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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:41:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C86A393.8000109@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ZU83BYDkgT3=mEcx1HjRiH20fT3q6HFR-uS2A@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/07/2010 02:25 PM, Blue Swirl wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi
> <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>  wrote:
>    
>> QEMU Enhanced Disk format is a disk image format that forgoes features
>> found in qcow2 in favor of better levels of performance and data
>> integrity.  Due to its simpler on-disk layout, it is possible to safely
>> perform metadata updates more efficiently.
>>
>> Installations, suspend-to-disk, and other allocation-heavy I/O workloads
>> will see increased performance due to fewer I/Os and syncs.  Workloads
>> that do not cause new clusters to be allocated will perform similar to
>> raw images due to in-memory metadata caching.
>>
>> The format supports sparse disk images.  It does not rely on the host
>> filesystem holes feature, making it a good choice for sparse disk images
>> that need to be transferred over channels where holes are not supported.
>>
>> Backing files are supported so only deltas against a base image can be
>> stored.
>>
>> The file format is extensible so that additional features can be added
>> later with graceful compatibility handling.
>>
>> Internal snapshots are not supported.  This eliminates the need for
>> additional metadata to track copy-on-write clusters.
>>      
> It would be nice to support external snapshots, so another file
> besides the disk images can store the snapshots. Then snapshotting
> would be available even with raw or QED disk images. This is of course
> not QED specific.
>    

There's two types of snapshots that I think can cause confusion.  
There's CPU/device state snapshots and then there's a block device snapshot.

qcow2 and qed both support block device snapshots.  qed only supports 
external snapshots (via backing_file) whereas qcow2 supports external 
and internal snapshots.  The internal snapshots are the source of an 
incredible amount of complexity in the format.

qcow2 can also store CPU/device state snapshots and correlate them to 
block device snapshots (within a single block device).  It only supports 
doing non-live CPU/device state snapshots.

OTOH, qemu can support live snapshotting via live migration.  Today, it 
can be used to snapshot CPU/device state to a file on the filesystem 
with minimum downtime.

Combined with an external block snapshot and correlating data, this 
could be used to implement a single "snapshot" command that would behave 
like savevm but would not pause a guest's execution.

It's really just a matter of plumbing to expose an interface for this 
today.  We have all of the infrastructure we need.

>> + *
>> + * +--------+----------+----------+----------+-----+
>> + * | header | L1 table | cluster0 | cluster1 | ... |
>> + * +--------+----------+----------+----------+-----+
>> + *
>> + * There is a 2-level pagetable for cluster allocation:
>> + *
>> + *                     +----------+
>> + *                     | L1 table |
>> + *                     +----------+
>> + *                ,------'  |  '------.
>> + *           +----------+   |    +----------+
>> + *           | L2 table |  ...   | L2 table |
>> + *           +----------+        +----------+
>> + *       ,------'  |  '------.
>> + *  +----------+   |    +----------+
>> + *  |   Data   |  ...   |   Data   |
>> + *  +----------+        +----------+
>> + *
>> + * The L1 table is fixed size and always present.  L2 tables are allocated on
>> + * demand.  The L1 table size determines the maximum possible image size; it
>> + * can be influenced using the cluster_size and table_size values.
>>      
> The formula for calculating the maximum size would be nice.

table_entries = (table_size * cluster_size / 8)
max_size = (table_entries) * table_entries * cluster_size

it's a hell of a lot easier to do powers-of-two math though:

table_entries = 2^2 * 2^16 / 2^3 = 2^15
max_size = 2^15 * 2^15 * 2^16 = 2^46 = 64TB

>   Is the
> image_size the limit?

No.

>   How many clusters can there be?

table_entries * table_entries

>   What happens if
> the image_size is not equal to multiple of cluster size?

The code checks this and fails at open() or create() time.

>   Wouldn't
> image_size be redundant if cluster_size and table_size determine the
> image size?
>    

In a two level table, if you make table_size the determining factor, the 
image has to be a multiple of the space spanned by the L2 tables which 
in the default case for qed is 2GB.

>> + *
>> + * All fields are little-endian on disk.
>> + */
>> +
>> +typedef struct {
>> +    uint32_t magic;                 /* QED */
>> +
>> +    uint32_t cluster_size;          /* in bytes */
>>      
> Doesn't cluster_size need to be a power of two?
>    

Yes.  It's enforced at open() and create() time but needs to be in the spec.

>> +    uint32_t table_size;            /* table size, in clusters */
>> +    uint32_t first_cluster;         /* first usable cluster */
>>      
> This introduces some limits to the location of first cluster, with 4k
> clusters it must reside within the first 16TB. I guess it doesn't
> matter.
>    

first_cluster is a bad name.  It should be header_size and yeah, there 
is a limit on header_size.

>> +
>> +    uint64_t features;              /* format feature bits */
>> +    uint64_t compat_features;       /* compatible feature bits */
>> +    uint64_t l1_table_offset;       /* L1 table offset, in bytes */
>> +    uint64_t image_size;            /* total image size, in bytes */
>> +
>> +    uint32_t backing_file_offset;   /* in bytes from start of header */
>> +    uint32_t backing_file_size;     /* in bytes */
>> +    uint32_t backing_fmt_offset;    /* in bytes from start of header */
>> +    uint32_t backing_fmt_size;      /* in bytes */
>> +} QEDHeader;
>> +
>> +typedef struct {
>> +    uint64_t offsets[0];            /* in bytes */
>> +} QEDTable;
>>      
> Is this for both L1 and L2 tables?
>    

Yes, which has the nice advantage of simplifying the code quite a bit.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-07 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-06 10:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 10:25 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-06 10:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 14:21   ` Luca Tettamanti
2010-09-06 14:24     ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-06 16:27       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 10:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-09-06 12:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 12:57     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:02       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 14:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-06 16:45         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 12:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 23:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-09-06 11:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-09-06 12:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:35     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-09-06 16:38       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 14:51   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 15:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 16:09       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:25         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 22:27           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08  8:23             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08  8:41               ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-08  8:53                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08 11:15                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-08 15:38                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 16:30                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 20:23                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 20:28                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09  2:35                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-09  6:24                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 21:01                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 11:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09  6:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 21:22                     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-09-14 10:46                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-14 11:08                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-14 12:54                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 12:55                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09  6:30                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08 12:48               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 13:20                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-08 13:26                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 13:46                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-09  6:45                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09  6:48                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 12:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 16:48                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-09-09 17:02                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 20:56                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 10:53                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:14                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:33                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 11:43                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:22                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:48                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 15:02                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 15:18                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 15:53                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 16:05                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 17:10                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 17:44                                           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 17:46                                           ` Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho
2010-09-10 14:02                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:47                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 14:05                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 14:12                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 14:24                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:16                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 14:06                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:43                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 12:06                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:28                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 12:12                         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 12:35                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 12:47                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:10                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 13:19                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:39                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:52                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 13:56                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:48                             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 13:14                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:47                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 14:56                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 15:49                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 17:07                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 17:42                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 19:33                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 10:41                                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-12 13:24                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:13                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 15:56                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 17:09                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 17:51                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 20:18                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13  9:24                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 11:28                                         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 11:34                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 11:48                                             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:19                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 13:12                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 11:03                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:07                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 13:24                                           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 16:12     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 21:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-07 22:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 22:40           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 15:07     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-09  6:59       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 17:43         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 20:46           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 11:22           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:29             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 11:37               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 13:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 19:25 ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-07 20:41   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-09-08  7:48     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-08 15:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-08 18:24     ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-08 18:35       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 18:56         ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-08 19:19           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 21:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-09-15 21:12   ` Anthony Liguori
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-17  3:51 [Qemu-devel] " Khoa Huynh

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