From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=55228 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OtkW9-00033A-PC for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:02:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OtkW7-0007Lh-OT for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:02:33 -0400 Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.212.45]:46172) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OtkW7-0007LN-MR for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 13:02:31 -0400 Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so1584117vws.4 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C891322.9020104@codemonkey.ws> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 12:02:26 -0500 From: Anthony Liguori MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1283767478-16740-1-git-send-email-stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <4C84E738.3020802@codemonkey.ws> <4C865187.6090508@redhat.com> <4C865CFE.7010508@codemonkey.ws> <4C8663C4.1090508@redhat.com> <4C866773.2030103@codemonkey.ws> <4C86BC6B.5010809@codemonkey.ws> <4C874812.9090807@redhat.com> <4C87860A.3060904@codemonkey.ws> <4C888287.8020209@redhat.com> <4C88D7CC.5000806@codemonkey.ws> <4C890FD1.6060105@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <4C890FD1.6060105@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Paolo Bonzini Cc: Kevin Wolf , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity , Stefan Hajnoczi On 09/09/2010 11:48 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > On 09/09/2010 02:49 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: >> We should optimize for the future. That means a btrfs file system and/or >> enterprise storage. > > So we should just implement a copy-on-read wrapper that generates a > sparse raw image and uses FIEMAP (or whatever it is called these days) > to test for the presence of extents. Then you let btrfs handle > everything else... My position is that we'll need a sparse image format well into the future because while btrfs may be ubiquitous as a file system, IRL, people transfer images around all of the time through dumb transports like HTTP and fat-formatted USB keys. A 100GB image with 1GB allocated cannot explode to 100GB just because HTTP is a dump transport. Where we should do copy-on-read is a different topic. Really, I should have waited to share that feature to avoid confusing the current discussion. Regards, Anthony Liguori > > Paolo