From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] QEMU interfaces for image streaming and post-copy block migration
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:23:40 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8CF07C.5040509@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8CD847.8030804@redhat.com>
On 09/12/2010 08:40 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Why would it serialize all I/O operations? It's just like another
> vcpu issuing reads.
Because the block layer isn't re-entrant.
>> What you basically do is:
>>
>> stream_step_three():
>> complete()
>>
>> stream_step_two(offset, length):
>> bdrv_aio_readv(offset, length, buffer, stream_step_three)
>>
>> bdrv_aio_stream():
>> bdrv_aio_find_free_cluster(stream_step_two)
>
> Isn't there a write() missing somewhere?
Streaming relies on copy-on-read to do the writing.
>>
>> And that's exactly what the current code looks like. The only change
>> to the patch that this does is make some of qed's internals be block
>> layer interfaces.
>
> Why do you need find_free_cluster()? That's a physical offset thing.
> Just write to the same logical offset.
>
> IOW:
>
> bdrv_aio_stream():
> bdrv_aio_read(offset, stream_2)
It's an optimization. If you've got a fully missing L1 entry, then
you're going to memset() 2GB worth of zeros. That's just wasted work.
With a 1TB image with a 1GB allocation, it's a huge amount of wasted work.
> stream_2():
> if all zeros:
> increment offset
> if more:
> bdrv_aio_stream()
> bdrv_aio_write(offset, stream_3)
>
> stream_3():
> bdrv_aio_write(offset, stream_4)
I don't understand why stream_3() is needed.
> stream_4():
> increment offset
> if more:
> bdrv_aio_stream()
>
>
> Of course, need to serialize wrt guest writes, which adds a bit more
> complexity. I'll leave it to you to code the state machine for that.
http://repo.or.cz/w/qemu/aliguori.git/commitdiff/d44ea43be084cc879cd1a33e1a04a105f4cb7637?hp=34ed425e7dd39c511bc247d1ab900e19b8c74a5d
>>
>>>> Third problem is that streaming really requires being able to do
>>>> zero write detection in a meaningful way. You don't want to always
>>>> do zero write detection so you need another interface to mark a
>>>> specific write as a write that should be checked for zeros.
>>>
>>> You can do that in bdrv_stream(), above, before the actual write,
>>> and call bdrv_unmap() if you detect zeros.
>>
>> My QED branch now does that FWIW. At the moment, it only detects
>> zero reads to unallocated clusters and writes a special zero cluster
>> marker. However, the detection code is in the generic path so once
>> the fsck() logic is working, we can implement a free list in QED.
>>
>> In QED, the detection code needs to have a lot of knowledge about
>> cluster boundaries and the format of the device. In principle, this
>> should be common code but it's not for the same reason copy-on-write
>> is not common code today.
>
> Parts of it are: commit. Of course, that's horribly synchronous.
If you've got AIO internally, making commit work is pretty easy. Doing
asynchronous commit at a generic layer is not easy though unless you
expose lots of details.
Generally, I think the block layer makes more sense if the interface to
the formats are high level and code sharing is achieved not by mandating
a world view but rather but making libraries of common functionality.
This is more akin to how the FS layer works in Linux.
So IMHO, we ought to add a bdrv_aio_commit function, turn the current
code into a generic_aio_commit, implement a qed_aio_commit, then somehow
do qcow2_aio_commit, and look at what we can refactor into common code.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-12 15:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-07 13:41 [Qemu-devel] QEMU interfaces for image streaming and post-copy block migration Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 14:01 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-07 14:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 14:33 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07 14:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 14:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07 15:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 15:09 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07 15:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 8:26 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 14:34 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 14:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07 14:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 15:05 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-07 15:23 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 12:41 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 13:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 13:40 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:23 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-09-12 16:45 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 17:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 17:31 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 14:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 15:02 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 15:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 15:20 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 15:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 15:39 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 16:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 15:03 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-09-07 15:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 10:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
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