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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 08:19:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8E24F1.7000402@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8E0FA1.9060604@redhat.com>

On 09/13/2010 06:48 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 13.09.2010 13:34, schrieb Avi Kivity:
>    
>>    On 09/13/2010 01:28 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>      
>>>        
>>>> Anytime you grow the freelist with qcow2, you have to write a brand new
>>>> freelist table and update the metadata synchronously to point to a new
>>>> version of it.  That means for a 1TB image, you're potentially writing
>>>> out 128MB of data just to allocate a new cluster.
>>>>          
>>> No. qcow2 has two-level tables.
>>>
>>> File size: 1 TB
>>> Number of clusters: 1 TB / 64 kB = 16 M
>>> Number of refcount blocks: (16 M * 2 B) / 64kB = 512
>>> Total size of all refcount blocks: 512 * 64kB = 32 MB
>>> Size of recount table: 512 * 8 B = 4 kB
>>>
>>> When we grow an image file, the refcount blocks can stay where they are,
>>> only the refcount table needs to be rewritten. So we have to copy a
>>> total of 4 kB for growing the image file when it's 1 TB in size (all
>>> assuming 64k clusters).
>>>
>>> The other result of this calculation is that we need to grow the
>>> refcount table each time we cross a 16 TB boundary. So additionally to
>>> being a small amount of data, it doesn't happen in practice anyway.
>>>        
>> Interesting, I misremembered it as 8 bytes per cluster, not 2.  So it's
>> actually fairly dense (though still not as dense as a bitmap).
>>      
> Yes, refcounts are 16 bit. Just checked it with the code once again to
> be 100% sure. But if it was only that, it would be just a small factor.
> The important part is that it's a two-level structure, so Anthony's
> numbers are completely off.
>    

A two-level structure makes growth more efficient, however, searching 
for a free cluster is still an expensive operation on large disk 
images.  This is an important point because without snapshots, the 
argument for a refcount table is supporting UNMAP and efficient UNMAP 
support in qcow2 looks like it will require an additional structure.

One of the troubles with qcow2 as a format is that the metadata on disk 
is redundant, it's already defined as authoritative.  So while in QED, 
we can define the L1/L2 tables as the only authoritative source of 
information and treat a freelist as an optimization, the refcount table 
must remain authoritative in qcow2 in order to remain backwards compatible.

You could rewrite the header to be qcow3 in order to relax this 
restriction but then you lose image mobility to older versions which 
really negates the advantage of not introducing a new format.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Kevin
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-13 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-06 10:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qed: Add QEMU Enhanced Disk format Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 10:25 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-06 10:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 14:21   ` Luca Tettamanti
2010-09-06 14:24     ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-06 16:27       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 10:27 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2010-09-06 12:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 12:57     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:02       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-06 14:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-06 16:45         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 12:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 23:49     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-09-06 11:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2010-09-06 12:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:35     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-09-06 16:38       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-06 13:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 14:51   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 15:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 16:09       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 16:25         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 22:27           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08  8:23             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08  8:41               ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-08  8:53                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08 11:15                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-08 15:38                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 16:30                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 20:23                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 20:28                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09  2:35                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-09  6:24                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 21:01                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 11:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09  6:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 21:22                     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-09-14 10:46                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-14 11:08                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-14 12:54                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 12:55                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09  6:30                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-08 12:48               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 13:20                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-08 13:26                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 13:46                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-09  6:45                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09  6:48                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 12:49                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 16:48                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2010-09-09 17:02                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 20:56                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 10:53                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:14                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:25                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:33                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 11:43                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:22                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:48                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 15:02                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 15:18                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 15:53                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 16:05                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 17:10                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 17:44                                           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 17:46                                           ` Miguel Di Ciurcio Filho
2010-09-10 14:02                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:47                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 14:05                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 14:12                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 14:24                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:16                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 14:06                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:43                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 12:06                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:28                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 12:12                         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 12:35                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 12:47                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:10                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 13:19                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:39                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:52                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 13:56                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 13:48                             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 13:14                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 13:47                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 14:56                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 15:49                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 17:07                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-10 17:42                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-10 19:33                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 10:41                                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-12 13:24                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 15:13                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 15:56                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 17:09                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-12 17:51                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 20:18                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13  9:24                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 11:28                                         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 11:34                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-13 11:48                                             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:19                                               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-09-13 13:12                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 11:03                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-13 13:07                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-13 13:24                                           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-07 16:12     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 21:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-07 22:29         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-07 22:40           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-08 15:07     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-09  6:59       ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-09 17:43         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-09 20:46           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-09-10 11:22           ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-10 11:29             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-10 11:37               ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 13:58 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-07 19:25 ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-07 20:41   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08  7:48     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-09-08 15:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-09-08 18:24     ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-08 18:35       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-08 18:56         ` Blue Swirl
2010-09-08 19:19           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-09-15 21:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-09-15 21:12   ` Anthony Liguori
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-17  3:51 [Qemu-devel] " Khoa Huynh

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