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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Laurent Vivier <Laurent@vivier.eu>, Qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] bdrv_flush for qemu block drivers nbd, rbd and sheepdog
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:57:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CC19855.6050801@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CC1956C.9080008@codemonkey.ws>

Am 22.10.2010 15:45, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>>> On a physical system, if you don't have a battery backed disk and you
>>> enable the WC on your disk, then even with cache=writethrough we're unsafe.
>>>      
>> I don't think that's right. O_SYNC should guarantee that the volatile
>> disk cache is flushed.
>>    
> 
> If your filesystem does the right thing which an awful lot of them don't 
> today.

The list of really relevant filesystems is rather short, though.

>>> Likewise, if you mount your filesystem with barrier=0, QEMU is unsafe.
>>>      
>> Yeah, if you do something equivalent to cache=unsafe on a lower layer,
>> then qemu can't do much about it. Maybe you can apply the same argument
>> to NBD, even though it's unsafe by default.
>>
>>    
>>> QEMU can't guarantee safety.  The underlying storage needs to be
>>> configured correctly.  As long as we're not introducing caching within
>>> QEMU, I don't think we should assume we're unsafe.
>>>
>>> Do we have any place where we can add docs on a per-block format basis?
>>> It would be good to at least mention for each block device how the
>>> backing storage needed to be configured for safety.
>>>      
>> docs/block-protocols.txt?
>>    
> 
> Maybe docs/block/<name>.txt?  Would be a good home for the qed spec too.

I think spec and documentation for users should be kept separate. I
thought that's the reason why docs/specs/ exists.

And if you exclude specs, I'm not sure if there's a lot left to say for
each format. Having ten files under docs/block/ which consist of two
lines each would be ridiculous. If contrary to my expectations we
actually do have content for it, docs/block/<name>.txt works for me as well.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-22 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-21 14:07 [Qemu-devel] bdrv_flush for qemu block drivers nbd, rbd and sheepdog Kevin Wolf
2010-10-21 15:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-21 19:32   ` Laurent Vivier
2010-10-22  8:29     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-22 12:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-22 13:35         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-22 13:45           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-22 13:57             ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2010-10-22 14:01               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-22  5:43 ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-10-22  8:47   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-25  5:31     ` MORITA Kazutaka
     [not found] ` <AANLkTikHAm7opg1TzUrUWis53ENT_z6DjfT9GPeBdqA0@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010211155301.18946@cobra.newdream.net>
2010-10-22  8:39     ` Fwd: " Kevin Wolf
2010-10-22 16:22       ` Sage Weil
2010-10-25  7:58         ` Kevin Wolf

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