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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefan.hajnoczi@uk.ibm.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ryan Harper <ryanh@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] v4 Decouple block device removal from device removal
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:41:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CD01527.7090202@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3tyk02hdb.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

Am 02.11.2010 10:40, schrieb Markus Armbruster:
> Ryan Harper <ryanh@us.ibm.com> writes:
> 
>> * Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> [2010-10-29 11:11]:
>>> Ryan Harper <ryanh@us.ibm.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Regardless of the way we choose, we need to think very clearly on how
>>> exactly device models should behave when their host part is missing or a
>>> zombie, and how that behavior appears in the guest.
>>>
>>> For net, making it look exactly like a yanked out network cable would
>>> make sense to me.
>>>
>>> What about block?
>>
>> It seems to me that for block it's like cdrom with no disk, floppy with
>> no media, hard disk that's gone bad.  I think we we throw EIO back; it's
>> handled gracefully enough.  This is what happens when you do a
>> drive_unplug with my patch; the application using the device gets IO
>> errors.  That's expected if a drive were to suddently fail (which is
>> what this looks like).  And certainly there is some responsibility
>> at the mgmt console to ensure you're not unplugging a drive that you are
>> currently using.
> 
> Total drive failure works for me.
> 
> "No media" is cute, but it's possible only for drives with removable
> media.  I'd rather have all drives behave the same, whether their media
> is removable or not.

But I think we need some way to eject the medium without destroying the
whole device. If you handle it as "device broken", you need another
command for keeping the device, but ejecting the medium, unplugging the
network cable, etc. We have "eject" for block today, but it needs a
drive and not a blockdev (and I'm not even sure it really does what I'm
thinking of, once again)

Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-02 13:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-25 18:22 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] v4 Decouple block device removal from device removal Ryan Harper
2010-10-25 18:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] v2 Add drive_get_by_id Ryan Harper
2010-10-29 13:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-10-25 18:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] v2 Fix Block Hotplug race with drive_unplug() Ryan Harper
2010-10-29 14:01   ` Markus Armbruster
2010-10-29 14:15     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-29 14:29       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-29 14:40         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-29 14:57           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-29 15:28             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-10-29 16:08               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-10-30 13:25                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-29 15:28       ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-01 21:06     ` Ryan Harper
2010-10-25 18:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Add qmp version of drive_unplug Ryan Harper
2010-10-29 14:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/3] v4 Decouple block device removal from device removal Markus Armbruster
2010-10-29 15:03   ` Ryan Harper
2010-10-29 16:10     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-10-29 16:50       ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-02  9:40         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-02 13:22           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-02 13:41           ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2010-11-02 13:46           ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-02 13:58             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-02 14:22               ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-02 15:46                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-02 16:53                   ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-02 17:59                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-02 19:01                       ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-02 19:17                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-02 20:23                           ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-03  7:21                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-03 12:04                               ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-03 16:41                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-03 17:29                                   ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-03 18:02                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-03 20:59                                       ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-03 21:26                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-04 16:45                                           ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-04 17:04                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-05 13:27                                             ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-05 14:17                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-05 14:29                                                 ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-05 16:01                                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-08 21:02                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-05 14:25                                               ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-05 16:10                                                 ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-05 16:22                                                   ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-06  8:18                                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-08  2:19                                                       ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-08 10:32                                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-08 10:49                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-08 12:03                                                             ` Markus Armbruster
2010-11-08 14:02                                                               ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-08 16:56                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-08 17:04                                                                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-11-08 18:41                                                                     ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-08 18:39                                                                   ` Ryan Harper
2010-11-08 19:06                                                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-11-08 16:34                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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