From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
Paulo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Arun Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/7] Introduce hard dependency on glib
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:51:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D3EB94E.3080406@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1295902845-29807-1-git-send-email-aliguori@us.ibm.com>
On 01/24/11 22:00, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Both the recent I/O loop and threadlet series have me concerned that we're
> digging ourselves deeper into the NIH hole. I think it's time we look at
> something radical to let us borrow more code from existing projects instead of
> reinventing everything through trial and error.
Somehow this idea crossed my mind as well while thinking about the io
handler issue. Why limit yourself to steal ideas from glib if we can
just use the library instead?
> This series introduces a hard dependency on glib. The initial use is portable
> threads but I see this as just the beginning. Glib/Gobject offer many nice
> things including:
>
> - portable threads
> - rich data structure support
> - INI parser
> - JSON parser
> - generic type system
> - object oriented infrastructure
> - IO library
> - module system
> - introspection to enable support for dynamic language bindings
Even if we only offload some portability issues to glib and use the
gmainloop we'll have a net win I suspect. Using gmainloop will make it
alot easier to integrate third party libs which quite often offer glib
integration. We could easily use avahi to announce our vnc server via
mdns/zeroconf/bonjour for example. Also I'd be tempted to just rewrite
pulseaudio support using the glib support in pulse.
Turn all qemu internals into gobjects is certainly non-trivial,
especially managing the transition phase. But nevertheless it probably
is worth the effort long-term as glib has all sorts of language bindings.
<dream>
So we could do all the high-level stuff such as config parsing in a
high-level language some day.
</dream>
> I've spent the past few months working on C++ integration for QEMU. I'm more
> convinced than ever that we desperately in need of structured object oriented
> mechanisms to be successful but am pretty strongly convinced that incremental
> additional of C++ is not going to be successful.
Agree. I doubt switching to C++ will fly. But using glib has pretty
good chances to be a big success long-term.
I think we should get 0.14 out of the door before starting to work on
that though ;)
cheers,
Gerd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-25 11:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-24 21:00 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/7] Introduce hard dependency on glib Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] io-thread: make sure to initialize qemu_work_cond and qemu_cpu_cond Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 8:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 9:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/7] Enable I/O thread and VNC threads by default Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 9:17 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 13:34 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 10:12 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 16:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 16:23 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-07 17:10 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 21:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 21:45 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 2:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 7:26 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 8:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 8:50 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 9:05 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 9:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 9:49 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 9:51 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 9:58 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:03 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 10:06 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:16 ` Alexander Graf
2011-02-08 10:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-08 10:27 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 10:40 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 18:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:29 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:38 ` Riku Voipio
2011-02-08 10:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 10:26 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 17:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:07 ` Tristan Gingold
2011-02-08 11:46 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 19:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:15 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 13:31 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 15:08 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 17:35 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-11 0:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-08 19:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 13:30 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 20:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 15:09 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 17:13 ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-09 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Weil
2011-02-10 7:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-10 9:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-10 19:46 ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-08 10:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-07 18:35 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-02-07 20:44 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-07 21:30 ` Scott Wood
2011-02-07 20:47 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] vnc: the lost parts Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] vl.c: set NULL upon deleting handlers in qemu_set_fd_handler2() Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 10:03 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 10:13 ` Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 10:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 12:05 ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-25 8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] vnc: qemu can die if the client is disconnected while updating screen Corentin Chary
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] Add support for glib based threading and convert qemu thread to use it Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 14:24 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-01-25 15:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-02 17:32 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-02 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/7] Get rid of QemuMutex and teach its callers about GStaticMutex Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 22:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-01-25 0:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 7:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] threads: get rid of QemuCond and teach callers about GCond Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/7] Teach vnc server to use GThread directly Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 10:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/7] Rename QemuThread to QemuSThread to indicate that it is not a generic thread Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:28 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC 0/7] Introduce hard dependency on glib Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-24 22:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 10:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-25 11:14 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-01-25 11:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-25 0:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 6:51 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 10:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 11:51 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2011-01-25 12:04 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-01-25 14:48 ` Stefano Stabellini
2011-01-25 17:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 18:12 ` Stefano Stabellini
2011-01-25 14:23 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-01-25 15:35 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <20110126044710.GU9566@redhat.com>
2011-01-26 15:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 21:23 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-26 22:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 17:48 ` Johannes Stezenbach
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