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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
	Arun Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2/7] Enable I/O thread and VNC threads by default
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 03:12:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D5108F6.6070605@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D510771.3040309@aurel32.net>

On 02/08/2011 03:05 AM, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> Jan Kiszka a écrit :
>    
>> On 2011-02-08 09:08, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>      
>>> On 02/08/2011 08:26 AM, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
>>>        
>>>> I forget to remember when we decided that AIO should be implemented on
>>>> any host OS. Any pointer?
>>>>          
>>> To be fair, I/O-heavy workloads are almost unusable without AIO.  For
>>> Window targets, they also crash under SMP due to the Windows AP
>>> watchdog.  But then TCG and SMP do not go very well together anyway.
>>>
>>> However, I think deprecating Win32 support would be a very bad idea.
>>>        
>> It would be too early at this point.
>>
>> But if Windows is once the only reason to keep tons of hardly tested
>> code paths around or to invest significant additional effort to change
>> logic or interfaces in this area, than I would prefer that step. I'm
>> hacking on IOTHREAD vs. !IOTHREAD for some weeks now, and all those
>> subtle differences are really a PITA and source of various breakages.
>>
>> People interested in that platform should finally realize that its fate
>> is coupled to reducing the #ifdefs as well as the design differences we
>> see right now and even more in the future.
>>
>>      
> The guilty here is IOTHREAD. Windows support predates IOTHREAD concept,
>    

IOTHREAD is actually just as necessary for TCG as it is for KVM.  
Otherwise, you have a signal select race that cannot be avoided.

QEMU has never "supported" Windows.  It happens to compile on Windows, 
but historically the Windows build has been non-functional for long 
periods of time and is still missing basic features (like AIO).

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> it's just that people who introduce IOTHREAD didn't care about Windows
> support at all and added these #ifdef. Disabling Windows support because
> of that is not fair.
>
> We should probably get rid of KVM support in QEMU, so if someone has an
> idea for a cool TCG feature that can't be supported in KVM, it's the
> moment to submit it. We can add it with #ifdef, and in one year just ask
> for KVM support removal.
>
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-08  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-24 21:00 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/7] Introduce hard dependency on glib Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] io-thread: make sure to initialize qemu_work_cond and qemu_cpu_cond Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08  8:53   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08  9:01     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/7] Enable I/O thread and VNC threads by default Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 22:28   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25  9:17     ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 13:34       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 10:12         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 16:03           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 16:23             ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-07 17:10               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 21:02                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 21:45                   ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08  2:09                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08  7:26                       ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08  8:08                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08  8:50                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08  9:05                             ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08  9:12                               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-02-08  9:49                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08  9:51                               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08  9:58                                 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:03                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 10:06                                     ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:16                                       ` Alexander Graf
2011-02-08 10:17                                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-08 10:27                                         ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:31                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 10:40                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 18:05                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:29                                             ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:38                                             ` Riku Voipio
2011-02-08 10:21                                       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 10:26                                         ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:30                                           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 17:58                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:07                                         ` Tristan Gingold
2011-02-08 11:46                                           ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:07                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 19:21                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:15                                         ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:10                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 13:31                                             ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 15:08                                               ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 17:35                                                 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 20:07                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-11  0:03                                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-08 19:17                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 13:30                                             ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 20:54                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 15:09                                                 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 17:13                                                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-09 22:16                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Weil
2011-02-10  7:34                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-10  9:54                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-10 19:46                                                         ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-08 10:06                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-07 18:35             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-02-07 20:44             ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-07 21:30             ` Scott Wood
2011-02-07 20:47           ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25  8:33   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] vnc: the lost parts Corentin Chary
2011-01-25  8:33   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] vl.c: set NULL upon deleting handlers in qemu_set_fd_handler2() Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 10:03     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 10:13       ` Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 10:26         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 12:05           ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-25  8:33   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] vnc: qemu can die if the client is disconnected while updating screen Corentin Chary
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] Add support for glib based threading and convert qemu thread to use it Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 14:24   ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-01-25 15:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-02 17:32   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-02 17:35     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/7] Get rid of QemuMutex and teach its callers about GStaticMutex Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 22:24   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-01-25  0:02     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25  7:39       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] threads: get rid of QemuCond and teach callers about GCond Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/7] Teach vnc server to use GThread directly Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 10:39   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/7] Rename QemuThread to QemuSThread to indicate that it is not a generic thread Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:28 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC 0/7] Introduce hard dependency on glib Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-24 22:01   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 10:41     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-25 11:14       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-01-25 11:21         ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-25  0:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25  6:51   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 10:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 11:51 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-25 12:04   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-01-25 14:48   ` Stefano Stabellini
2011-01-25 17:48     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 18:12       ` Stefano Stabellini
2011-01-25 14:23 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-01-25 15:35   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found] ` <20110126044710.GU9566@redhat.com>
2011-01-26 15:53   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 21:23     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-26 22:12       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 17:48 ` Johannes Stezenbach

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