From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
Arun Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 2/7] Enable I/O thread and VNC threads by default
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 03:12:22 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D5108F6.6070605@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D510771.3040309@aurel32.net>
On 02/08/2011 03:05 AM, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> Jan Kiszka a écrit :
>
>> On 2011-02-08 09:08, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/08/2011 08:26 AM, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
>>>
>>>> I forget to remember when we decided that AIO should be implemented on
>>>> any host OS. Any pointer?
>>>>
>>> To be fair, I/O-heavy workloads are almost unusable without AIO. For
>>> Window targets, they also crash under SMP due to the Windows AP
>>> watchdog. But then TCG and SMP do not go very well together anyway.
>>>
>>> However, I think deprecating Win32 support would be a very bad idea.
>>>
>> It would be too early at this point.
>>
>> But if Windows is once the only reason to keep tons of hardly tested
>> code paths around or to invest significant additional effort to change
>> logic or interfaces in this area, than I would prefer that step. I'm
>> hacking on IOTHREAD vs. !IOTHREAD for some weeks now, and all those
>> subtle differences are really a PITA and source of various breakages.
>>
>> People interested in that platform should finally realize that its fate
>> is coupled to reducing the #ifdefs as well as the design differences we
>> see right now and even more in the future.
>>
>>
> The guilty here is IOTHREAD. Windows support predates IOTHREAD concept,
>
IOTHREAD is actually just as necessary for TCG as it is for KVM.
Otherwise, you have a signal select race that cannot be avoided.
QEMU has never "supported" Windows. It happens to compile on Windows,
but historically the Windows build has been non-functional for long
periods of time and is still missing basic features (like AIO).
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
> it's just that people who introduce IOTHREAD didn't care about Windows
> support at all and added these #ifdef. Disabling Windows support because
> of that is not fair.
>
> We should probably get rid of KVM support in QEMU, so if someone has an
> idea for a cool TCG feature that can't be supported in KVM, it's the
> moment to submit it. We can add it with #ifdef, and in one year just ask
> for KVM support removal.
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-02-08 9:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-24 21:00 [Qemu-devel] [RFC 0/7] Introduce hard dependency on glib Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] io-thread: make sure to initialize qemu_work_cond and qemu_cpu_cond Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 8:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 9:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/7] Enable I/O thread and VNC threads by default Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 9:17 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 13:34 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 10:12 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 16:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-07 16:23 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-07 17:10 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-07 21:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-07 21:45 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 2:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 7:26 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 8:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 8:50 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 9:05 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 9:12 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-02-08 9:49 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 9:51 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 9:58 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:03 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 10:06 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:16 ` Alexander Graf
2011-02-08 10:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-08 10:27 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 10:40 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 18:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:29 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:38 ` Riku Voipio
2011-02-08 10:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 10:26 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 10:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-02-08 17:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:07 ` Tristan Gingold
2011-02-08 11:46 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 19:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 11:15 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 12:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-08 13:31 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 15:08 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 17:35 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-11 0:03 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-08 19:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 13:30 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-08 20:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-08 15:09 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-09 17:13 ` Blue Swirl
2011-02-09 22:16 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Weil
2011-02-10 7:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-10 9:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-10 19:46 ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-08 10:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-07 18:35 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-02-07 20:44 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-07 21:30 ` Scott Wood
2011-02-07 20:47 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] vnc: the lost parts Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] vl.c: set NULL upon deleting handlers in qemu_set_fd_handler2() Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 10:03 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 10:13 ` Corentin Chary
2011-01-25 10:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 12:05 ` Yoshiaki Tamura
2011-01-25 8:33 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] vnc: qemu can die if the client is disconnected while updating screen Corentin Chary
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] Add support for glib based threading and convert qemu thread to use it Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 14:24 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-01-25 15:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-02 17:32 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-02-02 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/7] Get rid of QemuMutex and teach its callers about GStaticMutex Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 22:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-01-25 0:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 7:39 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] threads: get rid of QemuCond and teach callers about GCond Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/7] Teach vnc server to use GThread directly Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 10:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-24 21:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/7] Rename QemuThread to QemuSThread to indicate that it is not a generic thread Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 21:28 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC 0/7] Introduce hard dependency on glib Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-24 22:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 10:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-25 11:14 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-01-25 11:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-01-25 0:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 6:51 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-01-25 10:24 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-25 11:51 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-25 12:04 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-01-25 14:48 ` Stefano Stabellini
2011-01-25 17:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 18:12 ` Stefano Stabellini
2011-01-25 14:23 ` Aurelien Jarno
2011-01-25 15:35 ` Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <20110126044710.GU9566@redhat.com>
2011-01-26 15:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 21:23 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-01-26 22:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-26 17:48 ` Johannes Stezenbach
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