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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>
Cc: agl@linux.vnet.ibm.com, stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	markus_mueller@de.ibm.com, marcel.mittelstaedt@de.ibm.com,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, ryanh@us.ibm.com, abeekhof@redhat.com,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 00/23] virtagent: host/guest RPC communication agent
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:57:01 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D5E88BD.3050006@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D5E8291.7020900@redhat.com>

On 02/18/2011 08:30 AM, Jes Sorensen wrote:
> On 02/18/11 15:07, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>    
>> On 02/18/2011 06:45 AM, Jes Sorensen wrote:
>>      
>>> It may not be so fundamental, but it still makes me wary. XMLRPC
>>> handling is quite high level and introduces the potential of errors that
>>> are outside of our direct control. Personally I don't see the big
>>> benefit of having virtagent terminate in QEMU,
>>>        
>> Live migration.  If it's a separate daemon, then live migration gets fugly.
>>
>> If xmlrpc-c is a PoS, then we ought to look at using something else.
>> But let's understand what's happening first before drawing any conclusions.
>>      
> Urgh, I always do my best to pretend that there is no such thing as live
> migration :) Never seem to work though :(
>
> However if there's an agent connection, it could be arranged in a way
> allowing the host to reconnect to the guest agent. In that way it really
> shouldn't be a big deal as long as our agent commands aren't too complex.
>    

Oh, but they'll be nice and complex :-)  What happens if you do a live 
migration in the middle of doing a live backup?  You'll end up with the 
guest waiting to be told that it's okay to unfreeze itself only to never 
be told.

Terminating in QEMU means we can do intelligent things like delay live 
migration convergence, save state, etc.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> xmlrpc-c is probably fine, but it introduces a layer of complexity which
> always makes me worried.
>
> Cheers,
> Jes
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-18 14:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-17 13:14 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 00/23] virtagent: host/guest RPC communication agent Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 01/23] Move code related to fd handlers into utility functions Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:56   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-17 13:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 02/23] Add qemu_set_fd_handler() wrappers to qemu-tools.c Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 03/23] Make qemu timers available for tools Michael Roth
2011-01-21 16:30   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jes Sorensen
2011-01-21 17:26     ` Michael Roth
2011-01-24  7:56       ` Jes Sorensen
2011-01-17 13:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 04/23] virtagent: common code for managing client/server rpc jobs Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 05/23] virtagent: transport definitions read/send callback functions Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 06/23] virtagent: base client definitions Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 07/23] virtagent: base server definitions Michael Roth
2011-01-21 16:38   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jes Sorensen
2011-01-21 17:55     ` Michael Roth
2011-01-24 10:16       ` Jes Sorensen
2011-01-24 16:51         ` Michael Roth
2011-01-24 17:04           ` Jes Sorensen
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 08/23] virtagent: add va.getfile RPC Michael Roth
2011-01-21 16:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jes Sorensen
2011-01-21 17:20     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-01-21 18:23       ` Michael Roth
2011-01-24 22:08         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-01-24 22:20           ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-01-24 22:26             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-24 22:48               ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-01-24 23:40                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25  0:22                   ` Michael Roth
2011-01-25  0:25                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25  9:21                   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-01-25 15:12                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-25 15:43                       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-01-26 13:01                         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 09/23] virtagent: add agent_viewfile qmp/hmp command Michael Roth
2011-01-21 16:41   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jes Sorensen
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 10/23] virtagent: add va.getdmesg RPC Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 11/23] virtagent: add agent_viewdmesg qmp/hmp commands Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 12/23] virtagent: add va.shutdown RPC Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 13/23] virtagent: add agent_shutdown qmp/hmp commands Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 14/23] virtagent: add va.ping RPC Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 15/23] virtagent: add agent_ping qmp/hmp commands Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 16/23] virtagent: add agent_capabilities " Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 17/23] virtagent: add client capabilities init function Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 18/23] virtagent: add va.hello RPC Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 19/23] virtagent: add "hello" notification function for guest agent Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 20/23] virtagent: add va.capabilities RPC Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 21/23] virtagent: add virtagent guest daemon Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 22/23] virtagent: integrate virtagent server/client via chardev Michael Roth
2011-01-17 13:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 23/23] virtagent: various bits to build QEMU with virtagent Michael Roth
2011-01-24 10:24   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jes Sorensen
2011-01-17 13:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC][PATCH v6 00/23] virtagent: host/guest RPC communication agent Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-17 14:53   ` Michael Roth
2011-01-18 14:02     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-01-18 14:13       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-01-31 14:41         ` Michael Roth
2011-02-01 22:18           ` Michael Roth
2011-02-14  9:49             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-02-16 16:04 ` Jes Sorensen
2011-02-16 17:22   ` Michael Roth
2011-02-17  8:26     ` Jes Sorensen
2011-02-17  9:08       ` Dor Laor
2011-02-17 14:39       ` Michael Roth
2011-02-18 12:45         ` Jes Sorensen
2011-02-18 14:07           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-18 14:30             ` Jes Sorensen
2011-02-18 14:57               ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-02-21  8:32                 ` Jes Sorensen
2011-02-21 13:36                   ` Michael Roth
2011-02-21 13:38                     ` Jes Sorensen
2011-02-18 15:22             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-02-18 15:25               ` Anthony Liguori

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