From: Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] virtio-serial semantics for binary data and guest agents
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:40:55 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D643B77.60109@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
Hi everyone,
As some of you are aware we've been working for a few months now towards
creating a qemu-specific guest agent to implement bi-directional RPCs
between the host and the guest to support certain operations like
copy/paste, guest-initiated shutdown, and basic file transfer.
Currently the protocol uses the xmlrpc-c library to marshall functions
and arguments into a data format we can transport over
virtio-serial/isa-serial via an HTTP-like protocol. Recently some
concerns have been raised over pulling an external dependency such as
xmlrpc-c into qemu, and we've been looking at some alternatives.
Some clear, well-defined approaches such as ASN.1/BER show much promise,
but we currently lack a way to implement them cleanly due to the
following drawbacks with virtio-serial which prevent us from being able
to implement connection/session-oriented protocols:
If something in the guest is attempting to read/write from the
virtio-serial device, and nothing is connected to virtio-serial's host
character device (say, a socket)
1. writes will block until something connect()s, at which point the
write will succeed
2. reads will always return 0 until something connect()s, at which point
the reads will block until there's data
This makes it difficult (impossible?) to implement the notion of
connect/disconnect or open/close over virtio-serial without layering
another protocol on top using hackish things like length-encoded
payloads or sentinel values to determine the end of one
RPC/request/response/session and the start of the next.
For instance, if the host side disconnects, then reconnects before we
read(), we may never get the read()=0, and our FD remains valid. Whereas
with a tcp/unix socket our FD is no longer valid, and the read()=0 is an
event we can check for at any point after the other end does a
close/disconnect.
Or if the host side disconnects/closes before/while we write(), we
block. If they reconnect, our write() succeeds, and they potentially end
up with garbage meant for the previous process. With a tcp/unix socket,
the write() will return an EPIPE indicating the FD is no longer valid.
Since virtio-serial is meant to be a general-purpose transport for raw
binary data as well as a pv serial console, I wonder if a virtio-serial
mode with semantics closer to tcp/unix sockets is necessary? Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Mike
next reply other threads:[~2011-02-22 22:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-02-22 22:40 Michael Roth [this message]
2011-02-22 23:09 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: virtio-serial semantics for binary data and guest agents Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 4:59 ` Amit Shah
2011-02-23 14:31 ` Michael Roth
2011-02-23 14:36 ` Michael Roth
2011-02-24 12:48 ` Amit Shah
2011-02-24 14:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-28 12:21 ` Amit Shah
2011-02-25 20:25 ` Michael Roth
2011-03-01 6:17 ` Amit Shah
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