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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, avi@redhat.com
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [patch 2/3] Add support for live block copy
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:14:11 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D644343.4050800@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110222230935.GA11082@amt.cnet>

On 02/22/2011 05:09 PM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 03:11:06PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>    
>> On 02/22/2011 03:07 PM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>>      
>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 02:50:09PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>        
>>>>> +static int write_commit_file(BdrvCopyState *s)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> +    char commit_msg[1400];
>>>>> +    const char *buf = commit_msg;
>>>>> +    int len, ret;
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    sprintf(commit_msg, "commit QEMU block_copy %s ->    %s\n", s->src_device_name,
>>>>> +                        s->dst_filename);
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    len = strlen(commit_msg);
>>>>> +    while (len>    0) {
>>>>> +        ret = write(s->commit_fd, buf, len);
>>>>> +        if (ret == -1&&    errno == EINTR) {
>>>>> +            continue;
>>>>> +        }
>>>>> +        if (ret<= 0) {
>>>>> +            return -errno;
>>>>> +        }
>>>>> +        buf += ret;
>>>>> +        len -= ret;
>>>>> +    }
>>>>> +
>>>>> +    if (fsync(s->commit_fd) == -1) {
>>>>> +        return -errno;
>>>>> +    }
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> This is more or less black magic.  What is this commit file used for
>>>> and why aren't we using something like a QMP event?
>>>>          
>>> The commit file is considered reliable storage for the result of image
>>> switch operation. Think of the following scenario:
>>>
>>> - mgmt app requests live copy of guests ide1-hd0
>>>        
>> >from /a/image.img to /b/image.img.
>>      
>>> - mgmt app dies.
>>> - guest switches to /b/image.img, /a/image.img is outdated.
>>> - guest dies.
>>>
>>> Notifying the switch via QMP would not be reliable in this case.
>>>        
>> But this is true of any number of operations in QEMU such as hotplug
>> where if a management tool dies after requesting hotplug and then
>> the guest dies before the management tool reconnects, it's never
>> known whether it's truly connected or not.
>>      
> This is a different case. The mgmt tool should be able to safely store
> the desired device tree before hotplugging a device.
>
> And even if you consider that should be done by QEMU, in a config file,
> restarting the guest with or without the device is not going to result
> in data corruption/loss.
>    

If a guest started writing to a disk and is storing important data 
there, and then the guest is restarted and the disk (and data) isn't 
there, I'd classify that as data loss.

>> The only way to robustly solve this is for QEMU to maintain a
>> stateful config file.  A one-off for this particular command doesn't
>> seem wise to me.
>>      
> I don't disagree the commit message could be in a config file, but since
> that does not exist, a separate file is a workable solution.

I disagree.  This is something we'll have to maintain forever and what's 
to stop us from having additional one-off mechanisms to deal with this 
same problem.

-drive already ties into the qemuopts infrastructure and we have 
readconfig and writeconfig.  I don't think we're missing any major 
pieces to do this in a more proper fashion.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>   Also, the
> separate commit file is not incompatible with future improvements.
>
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-22 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-22 17:00 [Qemu-devel] [patch 0/3] live block copy (v2) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-22 17:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 1/3] add migration_active function Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-22 17:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 2/3] Add support for live block copy Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-22 20:50   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22 21:07     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-22 21:11       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22 23:09         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-22 23:14           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-02-23 13:01             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 14:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:31                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 16:01                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 16:14                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 16:28                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 17:18                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 20:18                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 20:44                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-23 21:41                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-24 14:39                                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-24  7:37                             ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-24  8:54                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 15:00                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-24 15:22                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 17:58                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-27  9:10                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-27  9:55                                       ` Dor Laor
2011-02-27 13:49                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-27 16:02                                           ` Dor Laor
2011-02-27 17:25                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-28  8:58                                               ` Dor Laor
2011-02-27 14:00                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-27 15:31                                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-27 17:41                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-28  8:38                                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-28 12:45                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-28 13:21                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-28 17:33                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-28 17:47                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-28 18:12                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
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     [not found]                                                         ` <4D6CB556.5060401@redhat.c! om>
2011-03-01  8:59                                                         ` Dor Laor
2011-03-02 12:39                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-02 13:00                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-02 15:07                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-01  9:39                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-01 15:51                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-01 22:27                                                             ` Dor Laor
2011-03-02 16:30                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-02 21:55                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-28 18:56                                                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-03-01  9:45                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 16:17                     ` Peter Maydell
2011-02-23 16:30                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-24  5:41                         ` [Qemu-devel] Unsubsribing James Brown
2011-02-24 10:00                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-23 17:26                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [patch 2/3] Add support for live block copy Markus Armbruster
2011-02-23 20:06                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-24 12:15                       ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-25  7:16                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-23 17:49               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-24  8:58                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 15:14                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-24 15:28                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 16:39                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-24 17:32                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-24 17:45                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-27  9:22                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 12:46         ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-22 20:50   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22 21:16   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 19:06   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-26  0:02     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-26 13:45       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-28 19:09         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-03-01  2:35         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-02-26 15:32       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22 17:00 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 3/3] do not allow migration if block copy in progress Marcelo Tosatti

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