From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59625 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PsGhL-0006Xw-5Z for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:32:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PsGhB-000129-GD for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:32:06 -0500 Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.212.45]:64638) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PsGhB-000122-Du for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:32:05 -0500 Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19so3874698vws.4 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:32:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D652868.8030908@codemonkey.ws> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:31:52 -0600 From: Anthony Liguori MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format References: <4D5BC467.4070804@redhat.com> <4D5E4271.80501@redhat.com> <4D5E8031.5020402@codemonkey.ws> <4D637A20.9020307@redhat.com> <4D650F10.3060900@redhat.com> <4D651858.9040106@codemonkey.ws> <4D652675.1070908@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <4D652675.1070908@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Avi Kivity Cc: Kevin Wolf , Chunqiang Tang , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi , Markus Armbruster On 02/23/2011 09:23 AM, Avi Kivity wrote: > On 02/23/2011 04:23 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote: >> On 02/23/2011 07:43 AM, Avi Kivity wrote: >>> On 02/22/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote: >>>> *sigh* >>>> >>>> It starts to get annoying, but if you really insist, I can repeat it >>>> once more: These features that you don't need (this is the correct >>>> description for what you call "misfeatures") _are_ implemented in a >>>> way >>>> that they don't impact the "normal" case. And they are it today. >>>> >>> >>> Plus, encryption and snapshots can be implemented in a way that >>> doesn't impact performance more than is reasonable. >> >> We're still missing the existence proof of this, but even assuming it >> existed, > > dm-crypt isn't any more complicated, and it's used by default in most > distributions these days. > >> what about snapshots? Are we okay having a feature in a prominent >> format that isn't going to meet user's expectations? >> >> Is there any hope that an image with 1000, 1000, or 10000 snapshots >> is going to have even reasonable performance in qcow2? >> > > Are thousands of snapshots for a single image a reasonable user > expectation? What's the use case? Checkpointing. It was the original use-case that led to qcow2 being invented. Regards, Anthony Liguori