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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Chunqiang Tang <ctang@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:59:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D652ED4.6040605@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D652C26.2010304@codemonkey.ws>

On 02/23/2011 05:47 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> I don't see how that works, since the memory image is duplicated for 
>> each snapshot.  So thousands of snapshots = terabytes of storage, and 
>> hours of creating the snapshots.
>
>
> Fabrice wanted to use CoW to as a mechanism to deduplicate the memory 
> contents with the on-disk state specifically to address this problem.  
> For the longest time, there was a comment in the savevm code along 
> these lines.  It might still be there.
>
> I think the lack of on-disk hashes was a critical missing bit to make 
> this feature really work well.

So you have to use dirty logging to see which pages changed, otherwise 
you have to dedup all of them.  Still I think migration/kemari is a 
better fit for this.

>> Can you elaborate?  What's the problem with a linear array of 
>> snapshots (say up to 10,000 snapshots)?
>
> Lots of things.  The array will start to consume quite a bit of 
> contiguous space as it gets larger which means it needs to be relocated.

If you double the space each time, it amortizes out.

A snapshot seems to be around 40 bytes.  So 10K snapshots = 400KB, 
hardly a huge amount (sans pointed-to data which doesn't need to move).

> Deleting a snapshot is a far more expensive operation than it needs to 
> be.
>

Move the last snapshot into the deleted entry?

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-23 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <OF3C9DAE9F.EC6B5878-ON85257826.00715C10-85257826.007A14FB@LocalDomain>
2011-02-15 19:45 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-16 12:34   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-17 16:04     ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-18  9:12     ` Strategic decision: COW format (was: [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED) Markus Armbruster
2011-02-18  9:57       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 14:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22  8:37           ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-22  8:56             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22 10:21               ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-22 15:57               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22 16:15                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22 18:18                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23  9:13                     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 14:21                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 14:55                         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 13:43               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 14:23                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 14:38                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 15:29                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:36                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:47                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:59                           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-02-23 15:54                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 15:23                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:31                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:37                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:50                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 16:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 16:04                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 16:15                               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-25 11:20                             ` Pavel Dovgaluk
     [not found]                             ` <-1737654525499315352@unknownmsgid>
2011-02-25 13:22                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-23 15:52                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:59                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-23 16:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:33                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-02-23 15:38                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-18 17:43         ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-18 19:11           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 19:47             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-18 20:49               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 20:50                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-18 21:27                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-19 17:19             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-18 20:31           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-19 12:27           ` [Qemu-devel] Bugs in the VDI Block Device Driver Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-19 16:21             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-19 18:49               ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-20 22:13         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-21  8:59           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-21 13:44             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-21 14:10               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-21 15:16                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-21 15:26                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23  3:32               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-23 13:20                 ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]               ` <OFAEB4CD91.BE989F29-ON8525783F.007366B8-85257840.00130B47@LocalDomain>
2011-03-13  5:51                 ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-13 17:48                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14  2:28                     ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 13:22                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 13:53                         ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:02                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 14:21                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:35                               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:49                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:05                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 15:08                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:26                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 14:30                             ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:15                         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:25                           ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:31                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 16:32                               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 17:57                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 19:23                                   ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 20:16                                     ` Kevin Wolf
     [not found]                               ` <OF7C2FDD40.E76A4E14-ON85257853.005ADD68-85257853.005AF16E@LocalDomain>
2011-03-14 21:32                                 ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:34                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:47                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:03                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 15:13                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:04                             ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 15:07                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 10:12                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22  8:40           ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-16 13:21   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-17 16:04     ` Chunqiang Tang

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