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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Michael D Roth <mdroth@us.ibm.com>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/22] QAPI Round 1
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 13:19:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D768134.9000006@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D766B0E.9030908@redhat.com>

On 03/08/2011 11:44 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure I see this as all that critical though.  I sort of like 
>> the idea of it being transparent to the client whether a guest agent 
>> implements a command or QEMU does.
>
> A qemu command is guaranteed to be executed faithfully, modulo bugs 
> and runtime errors.  A guest command is guaranteed to be executed (or 
> not) in the most hostile way possible to the management agent.  It's 
> important to make that clear in the ABI.
>
> We should also have separate schemas, one including the other.  So we 
> can have a monitor channel that only executes guest commands, for 
> instance.

I need to think about about this a little more.  Since libqmp would hide 
most of this, the user-visible details wouldn't really change.  So while 
I understand and agree with your point, I don't think just changing the 
protocol like this is going to achieve the goal.

>>> In addition to commands we may also implement a key-value store.  A 
>>> large number of commands may be easy to implement using a single 
>>> key/value, and it's also easy to live migrate (key/values being 
>>> stored in but not understood by qemu).
>>
>> Do you mean the guest querying QEMU for key-values?  QMP doesn't have 
>> a reverse direction RPC.  It only has events which is one of the 
>> things that makes live migration work nicely.
>
> Both the guest and the management agent (and both can listen for 
> events).  I don't see why guest->qemu RPC is problematic for migration 
> - at least when qemu terminates it.

If it's terminated in QEMU, it's fine, but then it's not QMP anymore.  
Let me think about whether there's a way to achieve this without a 
guest->qemu RPC.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-08 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-07  1:22 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/22] QAPI Round 1 Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/22] Add hard build dependency on glib Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 10:59   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-03-07 13:55     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/22] qerror: expose a function to format an error Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 11:14   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 13:38     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/22] qapi: add Error object Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 11:06   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-03-07 13:59     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 14:24     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 11:38   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 13:36     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 13:55       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/22] qerror: split out the reporting bits of QError Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/22] qerror: add new error message for invalid enum values Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/22] qapi: add JSON parsing error message Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/22] json: propagate error from parser Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/22] qapi: add code generator for qmp-types Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/22] qapi: add code generator for type marshallers Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/22] qapi: add core QMP server support Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 13:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 13:39     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 13:46       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-03-07 13:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/22] qapi: add signal support to core QMP server Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 13:21   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 13:53     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 14:36       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 14:41         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/22] qapi: add QAPI module type Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/22] qapi: add code generators for QMP command marshaling Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 13:27   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 13:44     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 14:38       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/22] qapi: add query-version QMP command Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 13:35   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 13:41     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:28       ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 13:44         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:51           ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 14:13             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:36   ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 14:11     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 14:37       ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 14:47         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-10 12:41           ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 12:46             ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 13:52             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/22] qapi: add new QMP server that uses CharDriverState Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 13:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 14:02     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/22] vl: add a new -qmp2 option to expose experimental QMP server Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/22] qapi: add QMP quit command Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/22] qapi: add QMP qmp_capabilities command Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/22] qapi: add QMP put-event command Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:31   ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 13:48     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:58       ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 14:26         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-10 12:39           ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 14:12             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-10 14:24               ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 15:30                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 15:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-10 15:49                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 16:42                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-12 20:37                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 15:33                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-10 15:45                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 16:04                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-12 20:42                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-12 23:30                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/22] qapi: add code generator for libqmp Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/22] qapi: add test-libqmp Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/22] qapi: generate HTML report for test-libqmp Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  2:11   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qapi: qmp-types.c and qmp-types.h Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qapi: qmp-marshal-types.c and qmp-marshal-types.h Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qapi: add qmp-marshal.c and qmp.h Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07  1:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qapi: add libqmp.c and libqmp.h Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 15:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/22] QAPI Round 1 Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-07 15:59   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-08 11:12     ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-08 13:35       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-08 13:45         ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-08 13:54           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-08 14:00             ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-08 14:10               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-08 14:17                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-08 14:20                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-08 14:38                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-08 14:52                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-08 15:03                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-08 17:44                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-08 19:19                           ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-03-09  8:51                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 13:12                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:14                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 13:51                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-03-09 14:15                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-09 13:51                                   ` Michael Roth
2011-03-07 20:59   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-07 22:00     ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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