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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Michal Suchanek <hramrach@centrum.cz>,
	Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: RFC: emulation of system flash
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:27:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D78B5BB.5020408@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110310094726.GB14805@redhat.com>

On 2011-03-10 10:47, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 08:51:23PM -0800, Jordan Justen wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have documented a simple flash-like device which I think could be
>> useful for qemu/kvm in some cases.  (Particularly for allowing
>> persistent UEFI non-volatile variables.)
>>
>> http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/System_Flash
>>
>> Let me know if you have any suggestions or concerns.
>>
> 
> Two things. First You suggest to replace -bios with -flash. This will
> make firmware upgrade painful process that will have to be performed
> from inside the guest since the same flash image will contain both
> firmware and whatever data was stored on a flash which presumably you
> want to reuse after upgrading a firmware. My suggestion is to extend
> -bios option like this:
> 
> -bios bios.bin,flash=flash.bin,flash_base=addr
> 
> flash.bin will be mapped at address flash_base, or, if flash_base is not
> present, just below bios.bin.

...or define -flash in a way that allows mapping the bios image as an
overlay to the otherwise guest-managed flash image.

> 
> Second. I asked how flash is programmed because interfaces like CFI
> where you write into flash memory address range to issue commands cannot
> be emulated efficiently in KVM. KVM supports either regular memory slots
> or IO memory, but in your proposal the same memory behaves as IO on
> write and regular memory on read. Better idea would be to present
> non-volatile flash as ISA virtio device. Should be simple to implement.

Why not enhancing KVM memory slots to support direct read access while
writes are trapped and forwarded to a user space device model? Virtio
means that you have to patch the guest (which might be something else
than flexible Linux...).

Jan

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-10 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-10  4:51 [Qemu-devel] RFC: emulation of system flash Jordan Justen
2011-03-10  9:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 18:43   ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 21:52     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:14       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 22:31         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:58           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 23:41             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-11  2:12               ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10  9:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 11:27   ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2011-03-10 11:46     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 11:53       ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-03-10 12:07         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 19:03       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 19:23         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-10 20:05           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 11:48     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 12:06       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 12:17         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 12:27           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 19:08             ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 19:13               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 21:46         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:11           ` Scott Wood
2011-03-10 21:41       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:05         ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 18:59   ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 19:12     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 19:50       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 20:08         ` Антон Кочков
2011-03-10 20:21         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-11 21:41           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-14 14:29             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 21:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 21:55   ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 22:10     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:29       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 23:53         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-11  0:19       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-03-11  0:27         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-11 19:09           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-11 23:10             ` Michal Suchanek
2011-03-12  9:24             ` Jan Kiszka

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