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From: Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net>
To: Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Michal Suchanek <hramrach@centrum.cz>,
	Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: RFC: emulation of system flash
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:52:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D794819.1060001@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+kxJjxSsge4MKnRF_5tdiUSb2on3wqASTvvdh@mail.gmail.com>

Auf 10.03.2011 19:43, Jordan Justen schrieb:
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:10, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
>   
>> On 03/10/2011 06:51 AM, Jordan Justen wrote:
>>     
>>> http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/System_Flash
>>>
>>>       
>> - make the programming interface the same as an existing device
>>     
> How strongly do you feel about this?
>
> For one thing, real devices are not as flexible as QEMU for flash
> sizes.  QEMU allows for any 64kb multiple bios size.  Real world
> devices generally only support powers of 2 sizes.
>
> Firmware hub devices are somewhat simplistic to emulate, but I think
> they use 16MB of address space, while only providing <= 1MB of flash
> storage.
>   

Up to 4 MB on real hardware, and if you use Parallel flash devices,
there is no limit at all (except cost). The software interface is
identical for read/write/erase/probe.


> SPI devices are available in many sizes, so it might be possible to
> choose a 16MB device to emulate.  But, it would be a lot more complex
> to emulate as it would it involve emulating an SPI contoller + the
> device.
>   

I have written a SPI flash chip emulator (it emulates 3 different
real-world SPI flash chips) and am willing to contribute it to Qemu if
there is interest. The code is pretty small, and adding a SPI host
controller emulator should be a few lines of code extra. Not a big problem.


> I thought this might be a case where deviation from real hardware
> emulation could better serve the VM's needs.
>   

If we have to write the code anyway, and if it can work just fine with
current KVM/Qemu, is there a reason not to use the same interface as
real hardware?

Regards,
Carl-Daniel

-- 
http://www.hailfinger.org/

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-10 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-10  4:51 [Qemu-devel] RFC: emulation of system flash Jordan Justen
2011-03-10  9:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-03-10 18:43   ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 21:52     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [this message]
2011-03-10 22:14       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 22:31         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:58           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 23:41             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-11  2:12               ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10  9:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 11:27   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 11:46     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 11:53       ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-03-10 12:07         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 19:03       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 19:23         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-10 20:05           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 11:48     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 12:06       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 12:17         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 12:27           ` Jan Kiszka
2011-03-10 19:08             ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 19:13               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 21:46         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:11           ` Scott Wood
2011-03-10 21:41       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:05         ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 18:59   ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 19:12     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 19:50       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 20:08         ` Антон Кочков
2011-03-10 20:21         ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-11 21:41           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-14 14:29             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-03-10 21:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 21:55   ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 22:10     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-10 22:29       ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-10 23:53         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-11  0:19       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2011-03-11  0:27         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2011-03-11 19:09           ` Jordan Justen
2011-03-11 23:10             ` Michal Suchanek
2011-03-12  9:24             ` Jan Kiszka

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