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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Chunqiang Tang <ctang@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:57:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D7E5727.5080205@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF7C2FDD40.E76A4E14-ON85257853.005ADD68-85257853.005AF1C5@us.ibm.com>

Am 14.03.2011 17:32, schrieb Chunqiang Tang:
>>> FVD's novel uses of the reference count table reduces the metadata 
> update
>>> overhead down to literally zero during normal execution of a VM. This 
> gets
>>> the bests of QCOW2's reference count table but without its oeverhead. 
> In
>>> FVD, the reference count table is only updated when creating a new
>>> snapshot or deleting an existing snapshot. The reference count table 
> is
>>> never updated during normal execution of a VM.
>>
>> Do you want to send out a break-down of the steps (and cost) involved in 
> doing:
>>
>> 1. Snapshot creation.
>> 2. Snapshot deletion.
>> 3. Opening an image with n snapshots.
> 
> Here is a detailed description. Relevant to the discussion of snapshot, 
> FVD uses a one-level lookup table and a refcount table. FVD’s one-level 
> lookup table is very similar to QCOW2’s two-level lookup table, except 
> that it is much smaller in FVD, and is preallocated and hence contiguous 
> in image.

Does this mean that FVD can't hold VM state of arbitrary size?

> FVD’s refcount table is almost identical to that of QCOW2, but with a key 
> difference. An image consists of an arbitrary number of read-only 
> snapshots, and a single writeable image front, which is the current image 
> state perceived by the VM. Below, I will simply refer to the read-only 
> snapshots as snapshots, and refer to the “writeable image front” as 
> “writeable-front.” QCOW2’s refcount table counts clusters that are used by 
> either read-only snapshots or writeable-front. Because writeable-front 
> changes as the VM runs, QCOW2 needs to update the refcount table on the 
> fast path of normal VM execution. 

Needs to update, but not necessarily on the fast path. Updates can be
delayed and batched.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-14 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <OF3C9DAE9F.EC6B5878-ON85257826.00715C10-85257826.007A14FB@LocalDomain>
2011-02-15 19:45 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-16 12:34   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-17 16:04     ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-18  9:12     ` Strategic decision: COW format (was: [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED) Markus Armbruster
2011-02-18  9:57       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 14:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22  8:37           ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-22  8:56             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22 10:21               ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-22 15:57               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-22 16:15                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22 18:18                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23  9:13                     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 14:21                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 14:55                         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 13:43               ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 14:23                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 14:38                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 15:29                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:36                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:47                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:59                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:54                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23 15:23                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:31                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:37                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:50                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 16:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 16:04                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 16:15                               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-25 11:20                             ` Pavel Dovgaluk
     [not found]                             ` <-1737654525499315352@unknownmsgid>
2011-02-25 13:22                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-23 15:52                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-23 15:59                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-02-23 16:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-23 15:33                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-02-23 15:38                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-02-18 17:43         ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-18 19:11           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 19:47             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-18 20:49               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-18 20:50                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-18 21:27                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-19 17:19             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-18 20:31           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-19 12:27           ` [Qemu-devel] Bugs in the VDI Block Device Driver Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-19 16:21             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-19 18:49               ` Stefan Weil
2011-02-20 22:13         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Strategic decision: COW format Aurelien Jarno
2011-02-21  8:59           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-21 13:44             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-21 14:10               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-21 15:16                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-02-21 15:26                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-23  3:32               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-02-23 13:20                 ` Markus Armbruster
     [not found]               ` <OFAEB4CD91.BE989F29-ON8525783F.007366B8-85257840.00130B47@LocalDomain>
2011-03-13  5:51                 ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-13 17:48                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14  2:28                     ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 13:22                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 13:53                         ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:02                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 14:21                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:35                               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:49                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:05                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 15:08                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:26                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 14:30                             ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:15                         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:25                           ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:31                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 16:32                               ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 17:57                                 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2011-03-14 19:23                                   ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 20:16                                     ` Kevin Wolf
     [not found]                               ` <OF7C2FDD40.E76A4E14-ON85257853.005ADD68-85257853.005AF16E@LocalDomain>
2011-03-14 21:32                                 ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 14:34                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 14:47                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:03                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-03-14 15:13                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-03-14 15:04                             ` Chunqiang Tang
2011-03-14 15:07                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-03-14 10:12                   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-02-22  8:40           ` Markus Armbruster
2011-02-16 13:21   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Comparing New Image Formats: FVD vs. QED Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-02-17 16:04     ` Chunqiang Tang

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