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From: Jagane Sundar <jagane@sundar.org>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: "kwolf@redhat.com" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"dlaor@redhat.com" <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	"Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com" <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	"jdenemar@redhat.com" <jdenemar@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:10:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DEF90E2.5080202@sundar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTim2KR9++yQUfJKgAJefnoG5ymV3CQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/7/2011 5:15 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Marcelo Tosatti<mtosatti@redhat.com>  wrote:
>
> I haven't reviewed this whole patch yet, but comments below.
>
> This patch, like image streaming, may hit deadlocks due to synchronous
> I/O emulation.  I discovered this problem when working on image
> streaming and it should be solved by getting rid of the asynchronous
> context concept.  The problem is that async I/O emulation will push a
> new context, preventing existing requests to complete until the
> current context is popped again.  If the image format has dependencies
> between requests (e.g. QED allocating writes are serialized), then
> this leads to deadlock because the new request cannot complete until
> the old one does, but the old one needs to wait for the context to be
> popped.  I think you are not affected by the QED allocating write case
> since the source image is only read, not written, by live block copy.
> But you might encounter this problem in other places.
>
Hello Stefan,

Can you expand on this some more? I have similar concerns for Livebackup.

At the beginning of your paragraph,  did you mean 'asynchronous I/O 
emulation' instead of 'synchronous I/O emulation'?

Also, I don't understand the 'stack' construct that you refer to. When 
you say 'push a new context', are you talking about what happens when a 
new thread picks up a new async I/O req from the VM, and then proceeds 
to execute the I/O req? What is this stack that you refer to?

Any design documents, code snippets that I can look, other pointers welcome.

Thanks,
Jagane

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-08 15:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-06 16:55 [Qemu-devel] [patch 0/7] live block copy (v4) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 1/7] add migration_active function Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 2/7] Add blkmirror block driver Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 21:52   ` malc
2011-06-07 10:25   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 3/7] Add error messages for live block copy Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 4/7] Add blkdebug points " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 5/7] Add vmstop code " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 17:03   ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy (update) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-07 10:15     ` Jiri Denemark
2011-06-15 15:49       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-15 15:51       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-07 12:15   ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-08 15:10     ` Jagane Sundar [this message]
2011-06-08 16:18       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-09 15:42         ` Jagane Sundar
2011-06-15 16:59     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 7/7] do not allow migration if block copy in progress Marcelo Tosatti
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-05-23 21:31 [Qemu-devel] [patch 0/7] live block copy (v3) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-23 21:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-24 19:15   ` Blue Swirl
2011-06-03 15:59     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-29  8:54   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 16:06     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-31 16:14       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 16:38         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-31 16:53           ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 16:20             ` Marcelo Tosatti

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