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From: Jagane Sundar <jagane@sundar.org>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: "kwolf@redhat.com" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"dlaor@redhat.com" <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	"Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com" <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	"jdenemar@redhat.com" <jdenemar@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:42:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DF0E9D9.406@sundar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=2s11YY5o0LaBwhVZC7UNERYw4Qg@mail.gmail.com>


>> Hello Stefan,
>>
>> Can you expand on this some more? I have similar concerns for Livebackup.
>>
>> At the beginning of your paragraph,  did you mean 'asynchronous I/O
>> emulation' instead of 'synchronous I/O emulation'?
>>
>> Also, I don't understand the 'stack' construct that you refer to. When you
>> say 'push a new context', are you talking about what happens when a new
>> thread picks up a new async I/O req from the VM, and then proceeds to
>> execute the I/O req? What is this stack that you refer to?
>>
>> Any design documents, code snippets that I can look, other pointers welcome.
> See async.c.
>
Thanks - I will do so.
> There is synchronous I/O emulation in block.c for BlockDrivers that
> don't support .bdrv_read()/.bdrv_write() but only
> .bdrv_aio_readv()/.bdrv_aio_writev().  The way it works is that it
> pushes a new I/O context and then issues async I/O.  Then it runs a
> special event loop waiting for that I/O to complete.  After the I/O
> completes it pops the context again.
>
OK. This is the opposite of what I was thinking of. I was considering
the code that emulates Async I/O using multiple threads.

It sounds like the goal of this async.c mechanism is more than
serializing all synchronous I/O requests, right?
> The point of the context is that completions only get called for the
> current context.  Therefore callers of the synchronous I/O functions
> don't need to worry that the state of the world might change during
> their "synchronous" operation - only their own I/O operation can
> complete.  If a pending async I/O completes during synchronous I/O
> emulation, its callback is not invoked until the bottom half (BH) is
> called after the async context is popped.  This guarantees that the
> synchronous operation and its caller have completed before I/O
> completion callbacks are invoked for pending async I/O.
>
OK. This might not be a problem for Livebackup, after all.
Livebackup transparently interposes the async I/O offered by the driver.
Hence the async.c mechanism is layered neatly above the
async_block_driver+livebackup layer and should work correctly.

I will take a closer look at this, and check for sanity...


Thanks,
Jagane

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-09 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-06 16:55 [Qemu-devel] [patch 0/7] live block copy (v4) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 1/7] add migration_active function Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 2/7] Add blkmirror block driver Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 21:52   ` malc
2011-06-07 10:25   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 3/7] Add error messages for live block copy Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 4/7] Add blkdebug points " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 5/7] Add vmstop code " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU " Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 17:03   ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy (update) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-07 10:15     ` Jiri Denemark
2011-06-15 15:49       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-15 15:51       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-07 12:15   ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-08 15:10     ` Jagane Sundar
2011-06-08 16:18       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-09 15:42         ` Jagane Sundar [this message]
2011-06-15 16:59     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-06 16:55 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 7/7] do not allow migration if block copy in progress Marcelo Tosatti
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-05-23 21:31 [Qemu-devel] [patch 0/7] live block copy (v3) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-23 21:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [patch 6/7] QEMU live block copy Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-24 19:15   ` Blue Swirl
2011-06-03 15:59     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-29  8:54   ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 16:06     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-31 16:14       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-31 16:38         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-05-31 16:53           ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-03 16:20             ` Marcelo Tosatti

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