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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	agl@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	jes sorensen <jes.sorensen@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:50:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DFA0A2E.3020609@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DFA00BF.5030605@us.ibm.com>

Am 16.06.2011 15:10, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> On 06/16/2011 07:35 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>> To summarise what both things are about:
>>
>> * Image streaming is a normal image file plus copy-on-read plus a
>> background task that copies data from the source image
>> * Live block copy is a block-mirror of two normal image files plus a
>> background task that copies data from the source image
> 
> Is this correct in practice?
> 
> Image streaming has the following semantics for A -> B where B is the 
> backing file of A.

That B is a backing file of A is an implementation detail and not a
requirement.

> 1) All writes go to A.
> 2) If a read can be satisified by A, read from A, else read from B, copy 
> to A, then return
> 
> Block copy has the following semantics where A is the source and B is 
> the destination.
> 
> 1) All reads and writes go to A
> 2) Copy data from B to A in the background
> 3) When B matches the content of A, switch over to B

3) is optional, it would be like adding an item for image streaming that
it drops the backing file as soon as everything has been copied.

> Other than at a hand wave, they both do copies, I'm not sure I see the 
> overlap in implementations.

One thing is handling concurrent requests. If there's a concurrent guest
write request, it must always have precedence over the background copy/COR.

And even if we couldn't use a common implementation for live block copy
and image streaming, I think it's something that shouldn't be duplicated
for copy on read in each image format driver. I think it's possible to
have a generic COR implementation that would not only work for QED, but
also for qcow2, VMDK and any other format implementing backing files
without adding code to each driver.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-16 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-14 18:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] qemu-config: }, { -> }, { to please checkpatch.pl Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] block: add -drive copy-on-read=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] qed: replace is_write with flags field Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] qed: extract qed_start_allocating_write() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] qed: make qed_aio_write_alloc() reusable Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] qed: add support for copy-on-read Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] qed: avoid deadlock on emulated synchronous I/O Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] qerror: add qerror_from_args() to create qerror objects Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] block: add bdrv_aio_copy_backing() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] qmp: add QMP support for stream commands Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] block: add -drive stream=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] qed: intelligent streaming implementation Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] trace: trace bdrv_aio_readv/writev error paths Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-15 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Philipp Hahn
2011-06-15 12:18   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-16 12:35 ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 12:49   ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 13:08     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 13:38       ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 14:52       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 15:30         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:31           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-18  9:15             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-18  9:17               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-19 16:02                 ` Dor Laor
2011-06-24  9:28                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-26 12:50                     ` Dor Laor
2011-06-27  7:48                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-27  9:13                         ` Dor Laor
2011-06-17 13:54           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17  8:36         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-17  8:57           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17  9:22             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-17 10:11               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:21           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-17 13:04           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17 13:50           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 13:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-16 13:50     ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2011-06-16 14:38   ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 14:55     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17  8:21     ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Kevin Wolf

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