From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
jes sorensen <jes.sorensen@redhat.com>,
Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:36:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DFB1205.9040408@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110616145243.GB12173@amt.cnet>
Am 16.06.2011 16:52, schrieb Marcelo Tosatti:
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 03:08:30PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>> Am 16.06.2011 14:49, schrieb Avi Kivity:
>>> On 06/16/2011 03:35 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>>> * Image streaming is a normal image file plus copy-on-read plus a
>>>> background task that copies data from the source image
>>>
>>> Or a block-mirror started in degraded mode.
>>
>> At least not in the same configuration as with live block copy: You
>> don't want to write to the source, you only want to read from it when
>> the destination doesn't have the data yet.
>>
>>>> * Live block copy is a block-mirror of two normal image files plus a
>>>> background task that copies data from the source image
>>>
>>> = block-mirror started in degraded mode
>>
>>>> The right solution is probably to implement COR and the background task
>>>> in generic block layer code (no reason to restrict it to QED) and use it
>>>> for both image streaming and live block copy. (This is a bit more
>>>> complicated than it may sound here because guest writes must always take
>>>> precedence over a copy - but doing complicated things is an even better
>>>> reason to do it in a common place instead of duplicating)
>>>
>>> Or in a block-mirror block format driver - generic code need not be
>>> involved.
>>
>> Might be an option. In this case generic code is only involved with the
>> stacking of BlockDriverStates, which is already implemented (but
>> requires -blockdev for a sane way to configure things).
>>
>> Kevin
>
> What are the disadvantages of such an approach for image streaming,
> versus the current QED approach?
>
> blkstream block driver:
>
> - Maintain in memory whether given block is allocated in local image,
> if not, read from remote, write to local. Set block as local.
> Local and remote simply two block drivers from image streaming driver
> POV.
Why maintain it in memory? We already have mechanisms to track this in
COW image formats, so that you can even continue after a crash.
We can still add a raw-cow driver that maintains the COW data in memory
for allowing raw copies, if this is needed.
> - Once all blocks are local, notify mgmt so it can switch to local
> copy.
> - Writes are mirrored to source and destination, minding guest writes
> over copy writes.
Image streaming shouldn't write to the source. But adding a flag for
this isn't a major problem.
> Over this scheme, you'd have:
>
> 1) Block copy.
> Reopen image to be copied with
> blkstream:/path/to/current-image:/path/to/destination-image,
> background read sectors 0...N.
>
> 2) Image stream:
> blkstream:remote-image:/path/to/local-image,
> background read sectors 0...N.
>
> Where remote-image is remote accessible image such as NBD.
I think that should work.
By the way, we'll get problems with the colon syntax. Without -blockdev
we'll have to invent a new syntax, maybe with brackets:
blkstream:[nbd:localhost]:out.qcow2
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-17 8:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-14 18:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] qemu-config: }, { -> }, { to please checkpatch.pl Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] block: add -drive copy-on-read=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] qed: replace is_write with flags field Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] qed: extract qed_start_allocating_write() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] qed: make qed_aio_write_alloc() reusable Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] qed: add support for copy-on-read Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] qed: avoid deadlock on emulated synchronous I/O Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] qerror: add qerror_from_args() to create qerror objects Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] block: add bdrv_aio_copy_backing() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] qmp: add QMP support for stream commands Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] block: add -drive stream=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] qed: intelligent streaming implementation Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] trace: trace bdrv_aio_readv/writev error paths Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-15 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Philipp Hahn
2011-06-15 12:18 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-16 12:35 ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 12:49 ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 13:08 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 13:38 ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 14:52 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 15:30 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:31 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-18 9:15 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-18 9:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-19 16:02 ` Dor Laor
2011-06-24 9:28 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-26 12:50 ` Dor Laor
2011-06-27 7:48 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-27 9:13 ` Dor Laor
2011-06-17 13:54 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17 8:36 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2011-06-17 8:57 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 9:22 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-17 10:11 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-17 13:04 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17 13:50 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 13:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-16 13:50 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 14:38 ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 14:55 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17 8:21 ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Kevin Wolf
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