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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	jes sorensen <jes.sorensen@redhat.com>,
	Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:36:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DFB1205.9040408@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110616145243.GB12173@amt.cnet>

Am 16.06.2011 16:52, schrieb Marcelo Tosatti:
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 03:08:30PM +0200, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>> Am 16.06.2011 14:49, schrieb Avi Kivity:
>>> On 06/16/2011 03:35 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>>> * Image streaming is a normal image file plus copy-on-read plus a
>>>> background task that copies data from the source image
>>>
>>> Or a block-mirror started in degraded mode.
>>
>> At least not in the same configuration as with live block copy: You
>> don't want to write to the source, you only want to read from it when
>> the destination doesn't have the data yet.
>>
>>>> * Live block copy is a block-mirror of two normal image files plus a
>>>> background task that copies data from the source image
>>>
>>> = block-mirror started in degraded mode
>>
>>>> The right solution is probably to implement COR and the background task
>>>> in generic block layer code (no reason to restrict it to QED) and use it
>>>> for both image streaming and live block copy. (This is a bit more
>>>> complicated than it may sound here because guest writes must always take
>>>> precedence over a copy - but doing complicated things is an even better
>>>> reason to do it in a common place instead of duplicating)
>>>
>>> Or in a block-mirror block format driver - generic code need not be 
>>> involved.
>>
>> Might be an option. In this case generic code is only involved with the
>> stacking of BlockDriverStates, which is already implemented (but
>> requires -blockdev for a sane way to configure things).
>>
>> Kevin
> 
> What are the disadvantages of such an approach for image streaming,
> versus the current QED approach?
> 
> blkstream block driver:
> 
> - Maintain in memory whether given block is allocated in local image,
> if not, read from remote, write to local. Set block as local.
> Local and remote simply two block drivers from image streaming driver
> POV.

Why maintain it in memory? We already have mechanisms to track this in
COW image formats, so that you can even continue after a crash.

We can still add a raw-cow driver that maintains the COW data in memory
for allowing raw copies, if this is needed.

> - Once all blocks are local, notify mgmt so it can switch to local
> copy.
> - Writes are mirrored to source and destination, minding guest writes
> over copy writes.

Image streaming shouldn't write to the source. But adding a flag for
this isn't a major problem.

> Over this scheme, you'd have:
> 
> 1) Block copy. 
> Reopen image to be copied with
> blkstream:/path/to/current-image:/path/to/destination-image,
> background read sectors 0...N.
> 
> 2) Image stream:
> blkstream:remote-image:/path/to/local-image,
> background read sectors 0...N.
> 
> Where remote-image is remote accessible image such as NBD.

I think that should work.

By the way, we'll get problems with the colon syntax. Without -blockdev
we'll have to invent a new syntax, maybe with brackets:

blkstream:[nbd:localhost]:out.qcow2

Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-17  8:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-14 18:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] qemu-config: }, { -> }, { to please checkpatch.pl Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] block: add -drive copy-on-read=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] qed: replace is_write with flags field Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] qed: extract qed_start_allocating_write() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] qed: make qed_aio_write_alloc() reusable Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] qed: add support for copy-on-read Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] qed: avoid deadlock on emulated synchronous I/O Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] qerror: add qerror_from_args() to create qerror objects Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] block: add bdrv_aio_copy_backing() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] qmp: add QMP support for stream commands Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] block: add -drive stream=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] qed: intelligent streaming implementation Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] trace: trace bdrv_aio_readv/writev error paths Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-15 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Philipp Hahn
2011-06-15 12:18   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-16 12:35 ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 12:49   ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 13:08     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 13:38       ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 14:52       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 15:30         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:31           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-18  9:15             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-18  9:17               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-19 16:02                 ` Dor Laor
2011-06-24  9:28                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-26 12:50                     ` Dor Laor
2011-06-27  7:48                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-27  9:13                         ` Dor Laor
2011-06-17 13:54           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17  8:36         ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2011-06-17  8:57           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17  9:22             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-17 10:11               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:21           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-17 13:04           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17 13:50           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 13:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-16 13:50     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 14:38   ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 14:55     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17  8:21     ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Kevin Wolf

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