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From: Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	jes sorensen <jes.sorensen@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 19:02:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DFE1D8C.3000402@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=MTRzsVW8A0WqRs3ypbpb2cCHiyA@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/18/2011 12:17 PM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi<stefanha@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Marcelo Tosatti<mtosatti@redhat.com>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 04:30:18PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:52:43AM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>>>> This approach does not use the backing file feature?
>>>>
>>>>> blkstream block driver:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Maintain in memory whether given block is allocated in local image,
>>>>> if not, read from remote, write to local. Set block as local.
>>>>> Local and remote simply two block drivers from image streaming driver
>>>>> POV.
>>>>> - Once all blocks are local, notify mgmt so it can switch to local
>>>>> copy.
>>>>> - Writes are mirrored to source and destination, minding guest writes
>>>>> over copy writes.
>>>>
>>>> We open the remote file read-only for image streaming and do not want to
>>>> mirror writes.
>>>
>>> Why not? Is there any disadvantage of mirroring writes?
>>
>> Think of the use case with a Fedora master image over NFS.  You want a
>> local clone of that master image and use the stream command to copy
>> the data from the master image into the local clone.
>>
>> You cannot modify that master image because other VMs are using it too
>> and/or you want to be able to clone new VMs from it in the future.
>
> BTW the workaround is to create two local images:
> 1. Local clone with master image as a backing file.  This is the live
> block copy source image.
> 2. Local image without a backing file.  This is the live block copy
> destination image.
>
> But this is not very elegant.  Writes get mirrored so that crash recovery works.

There is an easier work around for image streaming using live block copy 
(mirror approach):
   - Create the dst VM as an empty new COW image of the src (even over
     the non shared storage, use some protocol tag for the src location
     like nbd://original_path/src_file_name)
   - Run the usual live block copy of src image (master read only OS
     template) to the destination.
     - Use a -src-read-only flag that will make the copy skip the src
       writing.

Voila - no duplicate writes, crash recovery works since we reference the 
original image and we share the code.

>
> Compare that to image streaming, which works across crash and doesn't
> duplicate I/O.
>
> Stefan
>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-19 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-14 18:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] qemu-config: }, { -> }, { to please checkpatch.pl Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] block: add -drive copy-on-read=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] qed: replace is_write with flags field Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] qed: extract qed_start_allocating_write() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] qed: make qed_aio_write_alloc() reusable Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] qed: add support for copy-on-read Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] qed: avoid deadlock on emulated synchronous I/O Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] qerror: add qerror_from_args() to create qerror objects Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] block: add bdrv_aio_copy_backing() Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] qmp: add QMP support for stream commands Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] block: add -drive stream=on|off Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] qed: intelligent streaming implementation Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-14 18:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] trace: trace bdrv_aio_readv/writev error paths Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-15 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming Philipp Hahn
2011-06-15 12:18   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-16 12:35 ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 12:49   ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 13:08     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 13:38       ` Avi Kivity
2011-06-16 14:52       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 15:30         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:31           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-18  9:15             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-18  9:17               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-19 16:02                 ` Dor Laor [this message]
2011-06-24  9:28                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-26 12:50                     ` Dor Laor
2011-06-27  7:48                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-27  9:13                         ` Dor Laor
2011-06-17 13:54           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17  8:36         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-17  8:57           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17  9:22             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-17 10:11               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-06-17 12:21           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-17 13:04           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17 13:50           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 13:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-06-16 13:50     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-06-16 14:38   ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy (was: [PATCH 00/13] QED image streaming) Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-16 14:55     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2011-06-17  8:21     ` [Qemu-devel] Image streaming and live block copy Kevin Wolf

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