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From: Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] live snapshot wiki updated
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:56:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E287648.4050708@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110719164755.GF12026@redhat.com>

On 07/19/2011 11:47 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 04:30:19PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote:
>> On 07/19/11 16:24, Eric Blake wrote:
>>> [adding the libvir-list]
>>> On 07/19/2011 08:09 AM, Jes Sorensen wrote:
>>>> Urgh, libvirt parsing image files is really unfortunate, it really
>>>> doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings :( libvirt really should not know
>>>> about internals of image formats.
>>>
>>> But even if you add new features to qemu to avoid needing this in the
>>> future, it doesn't change the past - libvirt will always have to know
>>> how to parse image files understood by older qemu, and so as long as
>>> libvirt already knows how to do that parsing, we might as well take
>>> advantage of it.
>>
>> What has been done here in the past is plain wrong. Continuing to do it
>> isn't the right thing to do here.
>>
>>> Besides, I feel that having a well-documented file format, so that
>>> independent applications can both parse the same file with the same
>>> semantics by obeying the file format specification, is a good design goal.
>>
>> We all know that documentation is rarely uptodate, new features may not
>> get added and libvirt will never be able to keep up. The driver for a
>> file format belongs in QEMU and nowhere else.
>
> This would be possible if QEMU to provide a libblockformat.so library
> which allowed apps to extract metadata from file formats using a stable
> API.

How wrong would it be to call out to qemu-img to handle this instead? 
Seems like a more stable interface (assuming the output of `qemu-img 
info` is treated as an API of sorts, or perhaps some other output mode 
is added to qemu-img that is considered stable).

>
> Daniel

      parent reply	other threads:[~2011-07-21 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-15 14:58 [Qemu-devel] live snapshot wiki updated Jes Sorensen
2011-07-18 14:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-07-19  7:24   ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-19 13:23     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-07-19 13:27       ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-19 13:58         ` Eric Blake
2011-07-19 14:09           ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-19 14:24             ` Eric Blake
2011-07-19 14:30               ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-19 15:14                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-07-19 16:46                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-07-20  7:30                     ` Markus Armbruster
2011-07-20  8:23                     ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-20  9:36                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-07-20 10:15                         ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-07-20 10:28                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-07-20 11:40                             ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]                             ` <4E27E610.7090502@redhat.com>
     [not found]                               ` <4E282DE6.1020603@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                 ` <4E283554.4080903@redhat.com>
2011-07-21 14:51                                   ` Eric Blake
     [not found]                         ` <4E27E5A2.2030208@redhat.com>
     [not found]                           ` <4E28317D.9020502@redhat.com>
2011-07-21 15:01                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-07-21 19:42                               ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-22  5:06                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-07-22 15:49                                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-22  7:22                               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-07-22  9:11                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-07-22 16:05                                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-20  9:50                     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-07-20 10:18                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-07-19 16:14                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-20  8:25                   ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-20 10:01                     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-07-20 13:25                       ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-20 13:46                         ` Eric Blake
2011-07-20 17:27                           ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-20 17:47                             ` Eric Blake
2011-07-20 19:51                               ` Blue Swirl
     [not found]                                 ` <4E27DE5D.5050502@redhat.com>
2011-07-21 19:34                                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-20 13:51                         ` Kevin Wolf
2011-07-20 17:20                           ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-20 17:41                             ` Eric Blake
2011-07-20 18:00                               ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-20 18:17                                 ` Eric Blake
2011-07-20 20:01                                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-20 20:10                                     ` Eric Blake
     [not found]                             ` <4E27E280.2060306@redhat.com>
2011-07-21 19:01                               ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-22  7:36                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-22  8:11                             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-07-22 16:09                               ` Blue Swirl
2011-07-20 13:50                   ` Cleber Rosa
2011-07-20 14:34                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-20 18:34                       ` Cleber Rosa
2011-07-19 16:47                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-07-20  8:26                   ` Jes Sorensen
2011-07-20  9:38                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-07-20 14:35                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-21 18:56                   ` Michael Roth [this message]

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