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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/12] char: introduce tx queue to enable Unix	style flow control
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 11:31:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E3AC965.3020600@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E3AC2F5.7050805@redhat.com>

On 08/04/2011 11:04 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 08/01/2011 05:23 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> The char layer tries very hard to avoid using an intermediate buffer. The
>> implication of this is that when the backend does a write(), the data
>> for that
>> write must be immediately passed to the front end.
>>
>> Flow control is needed to handle the likely event that the front end
>> is not
>> able to handle the data at this point in time. We implement flow control
>> today by allowing the front ends to register a polling function. The
>> polling
>> function returns non-zero when it is able to receive data.
>>
>> This works okay because most backends are tied to some sort of file
>> descriptor
>> and our main loop allows polling to be included with file descriptor
>> registration.
>>
>> This falls completely apart when dealing with the front end writing to
>> the
>> back end though because the front end (devices) don't have an obvious
>> place to
>> integrate polling.
>>
>> Short summary: we're broken by design. A way to fix this is to eliminate
>> polling entirely and use a Unix style flow control mechanism. This
>> involves
>> using an intermediate buffer and allowing registration of
>> notifications when
>> the buffer either has data in it (readability) or is not full
>> (writability).
>>
>
> If you don't have an obvious place to integrate polling, how do you poll
> for writability?

You poll by trying to write.  If write fails, you can set a callback for 
notification for when it becomes writable.

> Although, providing a reasonably sized buffer and blocking the vcpu when
> it's full is a lot better than what we have now.

This series won't block the vcpu.  The devices can (and will) register 
callbacks for when the pipe is writable again.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-04 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-01 14:22 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/12][RFC] char: add flow control and fix guest_[open|close] Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/12] char: rename qemu_chr_write() to qemu_chr_fe_write() Anthony Liguori
2011-08-04 16:00   ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-04 16:11     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-04 16:14       ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-04 16:17         ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-04 16:22           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-04 16:21         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/12] char: rename qemu_chr_[can_]read() to qemu_chr_be_[can_]write() Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/12] char: introduce tx queue to enable Unix style flow control Anthony Liguori
2011-08-04 16:04   ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-04 16:31     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/12] char: introduce backend tx queue Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 15:33   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-08-01 15:37     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/12] char: add read functions for backend and frontend Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/12] char: add an edge event API for the front ends Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 15:39   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-08-01 15:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/12] char: add backend edge notification interface Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/12] char: make monitor use new style interface Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/12] char: rename qemu_chr_guest_open() -> qemu_chr_fe_open() Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/12] char: rename qemu_chr_guest_close() -> qemu_chr_fe_close() Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/12] char: make all devices do qemu_chr_fe_open() Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/12] char: enforce the use of qemu_chr_guest_open() Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 15:38   ` Alon Levy
2011-08-01 15:39     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 16:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/12][RFC] char: add flow control and fix guest_[open|close] Alon Levy
2011-08-01 16:13   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-01 17:42 ` Hans de Goede
2011-08-01 21:54 ` Blue Swirl
2011-08-01 22:47   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-04  6:45 ` Amit Shah
2011-08-04 13:11   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-04 14:46     ` Amit Shah

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