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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] main: force enabling of I/O thread
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:08:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E5262CE.40703@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E5260E9.9030603@redhat.com>

On 2011-08-22 16:00, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 08/22/2011 03:50 PM, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>>  Enabling the I/O thread by default seems like an important part of declaring
>>>  1.0.  Besides allowing true SMP support with KVM, the I/O thread means that the
>>>  TCG VCPU doesn't have to multiplex itself with the I/O dispatch routines which
>>>  currently requires a (racey) signal based alarm system.
>>
>> Even with iothread it's still signal based (and still racy) -- the only way
>> to get a thread currently executing TCG code to stop doing so is to send it
>> a signal.
> 
> It's signal-based, but I'm not sure it's racy when single-threaded.  This:
> 
>                  /* ... tb_add_jump ... */
>                  barrier();
>                  if (likely(!env->exit_request)) {
> 
> in cpu_exec, vs. this in the signal handler:
> 
> 	void cpu_exit(CPUState *env)
> 	{
> 	    env->exit_request = 1;
> 	    cpu_unlink_tb(env);
> 	}
> 
> together will make sure that only a single basic block is executed after 
> an exit request.
> 
> The problems with user-level emulation arise from multiple threads 
> concurrently execute the tb_add_jump or cpu_unlink_tb operations.  My 
> knowledge of user-level emulation is approximately zero, but I think it 
> should be possible to make the race outcome predictable.  That's because 
> (1) cpu_unlink_tb is idempotent; (2) you don't really need to do 
> anything in cpu_unlink_tb if the other thread is running tb_add_jump, 
> because setting env->exit_request will avoid entering the CPU.

Current multi-threaded user mode emulation is just (too) optimistically
designed. But once VCPUs start to use their own TBs and/or TB chains
(maybe it can be beneficial to decouple the translation buffer from the
linking), this problem should go away.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT T DE IT 1
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-22 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-22 13:24 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] main: force enabling of I/O thread Anthony Liguori
2011-08-22 13:35 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-22 13:43   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-29 18:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-29 20:21     ` Andreas Färber
2011-08-29 20:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-29 21:23         ` Andreas Färber
2011-08-29 21:25           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-29 22:42             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-30 18:45               ` Andreas Färber
2011-08-30 19:28                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-01 18:31                   ` Andreas Färber
2011-09-02 13:59                     ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2011-09-02 14:31                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-02 14:42                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-02 15:41                         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-22 13:50 ` Peter Maydell
2011-08-22 14:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-08-22 14:08     ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2011-08-22 14:18     ` Peter Maydell
2011-08-22 14:09   ` Anthony Liguori

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