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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] pc: Clean up PIC-to-APIC IRQ path
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:36:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E637EEA.1030502@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E637E06.9020206@codemonkey.ws>

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On 2011-09-04 15:32, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 09/04/2011 07:13 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> On 2011-09-03 21:54, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> On 08/31/2011 05:53 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>> On 2011-08-31 10:25, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>>>> On 30 August 2011 20:28, Jan Kiszka<jan.kiszka@web.de>   wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, that's the current state. Once we have bidirectional IRQ
>>>>>> links in
>>>>>> place (pushing downward, querying upward - required to skip IRQ
>>>>>> routers
>>>>>> for fast, lockless deliveries), that should change again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you elaborate a bit more on this? I don't think anybody has
>>>>> proposed links with their own internal state before in the qdev/qom
>>>>> discussions...
>>>>
>>>> That basic idea is to allow
>>>>
>>>> a) a discovery of the currently active IRQ path from source to sink
>>>>      (that would be possible via QOM just using forward links)
>>>>
>>>> b) skip updating the states of IRQ routers in the common case, just
>>>>      signaling directly the sink from the source (to allow in-kernel
>>>> IRQ
>>>>      delivery or to skip taking some device locks). Whenever some
>>>> router
>>>>      is queried for its current IRQ line state, it would have to ask
>>>> the
>>>>      preceding IRQ source for its state. So we need a backward link.
>>>
>>> Can you provide some concrete use-cases of this?  I'm not convinced this
>>> is really all that important and it seems like tremendous amounts of
>>> ugliness would be needed to support it.
>>
>> INTx support for device assignment, vhost, or any other future in-kernel
>> IRQ sources.
> 
> I prefer to not think of IRQs as special things.  They're just single
> bits of information that flow through the device model.  Having a higher
> level representation that understands something like paths seems wrong
> to me.
> 
> I'd prefer to treat things like device assignment as a hack.  You just
> need code that can walk the device tree to figure out the path (which is
> not generic code, it's very machine specific).  Then you tell the kernel
> the resolution of the path and are otherwise completely oblivious in
> userspace.

See it as you like, but we need the support, not only for device
assigment. And I do not see any gain it hacking this instead of
designing it.

Jan


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  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-04 13:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-27 14:16 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] pc: Clean up PIC-to-APIC IRQ path Jan Kiszka
2011-08-28  7:10 ` Blue Swirl
2011-08-28  9:08   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-29 19:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-29 21:06   ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-29 21:13     ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-29 21:18       ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-30 19:19       ` Blue Swirl
2011-08-30 19:28         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-30 19:43           ` Blue Swirl
2011-08-31  8:25           ` Peter Maydell
2011-08-31 10:53             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-31 17:41               ` Blue Swirl
2011-08-31 18:17                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-08-31 19:44                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-04 10:33                     ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-04 12:25                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-03 19:54               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 12:13                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-04 13:32                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 13:36                     ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2011-09-04 13:41                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 13:49                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-04 13:57                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 14:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 15:20                               ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-04 15:31                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 15:44                                   ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-05 10:44                             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-04 14:12                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-04 14:43                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 15:03                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-04 15:19                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 15:34                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-04 15:27                             ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-04 12:17               ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-04 12:37                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-04 12:43                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-04 13:38                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 13:42                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-04 13:55                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04 13:35                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-08-31  8:28         ` Avi Kivity
2011-08-31 16:59           ` Blue Swirl
2011-08-31 18:04             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-08-31 18:28               ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-01  5:58             ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-03 20:07               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-03 21:10                 ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-03 21:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-04  9:27                     ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-03 19:53             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-03 21:01               ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-04 14:49                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-05  8:38               ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-05  8:51                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-05  9:02                   ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-05  9:14                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-05  9:22                   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-05  9:28                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-05 10:47                       ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-05 19:36                 ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-06  7:46                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-01  9:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] pc: Fix and clean " Jan Kiszka
2011-09-03  8:58   ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-03 11:17     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-03 11:37       ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-03 18:14         ` Jan Kiszka

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