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From: Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: chrisw@redhat.com, Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	anbang.ruan@cs.ox.ac.uk, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	andreas.niederl@iaik.tugraz.at, alevy@redhat.com,
	rrelyea@redhat.com, "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 08/14] Introduce file lock for the block layer
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:25:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E677EC4.1040405@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110907141051.GA11450@redhat.com>

On 09/07/2011 10:10 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 09:56:52AM -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
>> On 09/07/2011 09:16 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 09:06:05AM -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
>>>>>> First: There are two ways to encrypt the data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One comes with the QCoW2 type of image and it comes for free. Set
>>>>>> the encryption flag when creating the QCoW2 file and one has to
>>>>>> provide a key to access the QCoW2. I found this mode problematic for
>>>>>> users since it required me to go through the monitor every time I
>>>>>> started the VM. Besides that the key is provided so late that all
>>>>>> devices are already initialized and if the wrong key was provided
>>>>>> the only thing the TPM can do is to go into shutdown mode since
>>>>>> there is state on the QCoW2 but it cannot be decrypted. This also
>>>>>> became problematic when doing migrations with libvirt for example
>>>>>> and one was to have a wrong key/password installed on the target
>>>>>> side -- graceful termination of the migration is impossible.
>>> OK let's go back to this for a moment. Add a load
>>> callback, access file there. On failure, return
>>> an error. migration fails gracefully, and
>>> management can retry, or migrate to another node,
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> What's the problem exactly?
>>>
>>>
>> The switch-over from source to destination already happened when the
>> key is finally passed and you just won't be able to access the QCoW2
>> in case the key was wrong.
> This is exactly what happens with any kind of othe rmigration errror.
> So fail migration, and source can get restarted if necessary.
>
I guess I wanted to improve on this and catch user errors.
If we let migration fail then all you can do is try to terminate the VM 
on the destination and cold-start on the source.
>> Similar problems occur when you start a
>> VM with an encrypted QCoW2 image. The monitor will prompt you for
>> the password and then you start the VM and if the password was wrong
>> the OS just won't be able to access the image.
>>
>>     Stefan
> Why can't you verify the password?
>
I do verify the key/password in the TPM driver. If the driver cannot 
make sense of the contents of the QCoW2 due to wrong key I simply put 
the driver into failure mode. That's all I can do with encrypted QCoW2.

In case of a QCoW2 encrypted VM image it's different. There I guess the 
intelligence of what is good and bad data is only inside the OS.

    Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-07 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-31 14:35 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 00/14] Qemu Trusted Platform Module (TPM) integration Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 01/14] Support for TPM command line options Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 17:14   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  1:01     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-04 16:29       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-04 16:50       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-01 18:14   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  1:02     ` Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 02/14] Add TPM (frontend) hardware interface (TPM TIS) to Qemu Stefan Berger
2011-09-09 19:28   ` Paul Moore
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 03/14] Add persistent state handling to TPM TIS frontend driver Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 17:20   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  1:12     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-09 21:13   ` Paul Moore
2011-09-11 16:45     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-12 21:16       ` Paul Moore
2011-09-12 23:37         ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-13 12:13           ` Paul Moore
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 04/14] Add tpm_tis driver to build process Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 17:23   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  1:16     ` Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 05/14] Add a debug register Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 06/14] Add a TPM backend skeleton implementation Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 07/14] Implementation of the libtpms-based backend Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 17:27   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  1:24     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-04 16:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-08-31 14:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 08/14] Introduce file lock for the block layer Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 17:32   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  1:53     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-04 19:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-06 23:55         ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 11:18           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07 13:06             ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 13:16               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07 13:56                 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 14:10                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07 14:25                     ` Stefan Berger [this message]
2011-09-07 14:35                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07 15:06                         ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 15:16                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07 16:08                             ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 18:49                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-08  0:31                                 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-08 10:36                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-08-31 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 09/14] Add block storage support for libtpms based TPM backend Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 10/14] Encrypt state blobs using AES CBC encryption Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 19:26   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  2:23     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-04 16:58       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07  0:32         ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 11:59           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07 18:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-08  0:16         ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-08 10:32           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-08 12:11             ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-08 13:16               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-08 15:27                 ` Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 11/14] Experimental support for block migrating TPMs state Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 12/14] Support for taking measurements when kernel etc. are passed to Qemu Stefan Berger
2011-08-31 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 13/14] Add a TPM backend null driver implementation Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 17:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  2:41     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-04 16:42       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-08-31 14:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 14/14] Allow to provide inital TPM state Stefan Berger
2011-09-01 18:10   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-01 19:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  3:00     ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-04 16:38       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07  2:45         ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 11:23           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-07 13:51             ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-07 13:57               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-01 18:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH V8 00/14] Qemu Trusted Platform Module (TPM) integration Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-02  3:02   ` Stefan Berger

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